JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 29, 2020 11:21:43 GMT -6
Noticed that the looting and torching of businesses has moved to St. Paul. Not only is this having a devastating effect on business owners that lose everything they have worked for, but now both cities are going to have enormous economic destruction following an already economic devastation from Covid19. This could be just the beginning for the area as the NHL is or was considering St. Paul as a hub for the return of playoff hockey. This alone would have pumped millions of dollars into local hotels, restaurants, and other small businesses into both cities. Now...the NHL probably can't distance themselves from St. Paul fast enough. A great opportunity to get back on the economic track and it may all have been derailed by ignorant people that see this as a once in a lifetime chance. and the elected officials that allowed it to get started and to continue... but at least the protesters have masks available to them.
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Post by Uncle on May 29, 2020 11:55:32 GMT -6
Minnesota Daily @mndailynews BREAKING: Officer Derek Chauvin, the man seen kneeling on the neck of #GeorgeFloyd in several videos, has been arrested and taken into custody by the Minnesota BCA several days after Floyd’s death.
Hopefully this, and the now "firm" presence of the Minnesota State Police and National Guard will prevent any additional anarchy in the Twin Cities....and any future protests can be non-violent in nature....
To me, it's really questionable and head-scratching why it took until mid-day Friday to at least detain the officer involved and for the City of Minneapolis and State of Minnesota to get the anarchy under control (if it is, anyway)....
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Post by OkieDokie on May 29, 2020 12:13:46 GMT -6
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Post by OkieDokie on May 29, 2020 12:16:09 GMT -6
i read quotes from rioters "this is a once in a lifetime opportunity" and similar sentiment... how fucked up is that? It is insane to me.... A civilized society isn't civilized if there are established laws/controls in place, as well as the the enforcement of those laws/controls....and while I do understand that the notion that continued police "involvement" to break-up mob violence could be seen by some as a continuation of "police brutality", the elected officials along with law enforcement are there to protect people and property from criminal acts...the "laissez-faire" / stand-down attitude from the elected officials of Minneapolis is just insane as they have allowed individuals to perpetuate criminal acts of violence against innocent property owners and possibly put people's lives in danger without repercussions... If we allow people to commit criminal acts without repercussions after every single emotional event, there won't be a civilized society anymore... The initial images and video of what appeared to be the most egregious act of police brutality that most of us have ever seen, has been replaced with complete anarchy.... What the Minneapolis elected officials, along with the MPD have shown the rest of the nation (and world since everyone is seeing this on TV and online across the globe), is that criminal acts of violence will be tolerated after an emotional situation....and that is also a very scary thought because after another similar incident is caught on camera and circulated online for all to see, it's now "Ok" for people who become emotional upon seeing the footage to commit criminal acts and they can do so without any fear of repercussions and put people who wish to have nothing to do with that in danger.... The problem is people see no justice at high levels. For Gods sake we had people attempt an overthrow of our country and not one is even arrested let alone in jail.
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Post by OkieDokie on May 29, 2020 12:18:10 GMT -6
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Post by OkieDokie on May 29, 2020 12:19:54 GMT -6
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Post by OkieDokie on May 29, 2020 12:31:24 GMT -6
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Post by OkieDokie on May 29, 2020 12:34:13 GMT -6
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torr
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Post by torr on May 29, 2020 12:54:16 GMT -6
The other 3 cops involved need to be arrested as accomplices to murder. Then, we can work on rebuilding the community and perhaps, for law enforcement to find their way again and honor their oath to "Protect and Serve" the citizens of America. I'm not holding my breath in either case.
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Post by Purplemachine on May 29, 2020 13:11:42 GMT -6
It sounds like Mr. Floyd and the cop that killed him used to work at the same club as security. One has to wonder if there was some bad blood between the two and when the cop had a chance to extract revenge he did.
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Post by mjollnir on May 29, 2020 13:12:02 GMT -6
In our system of law you are innocent until proven guilty (I agree they need to be arrested by the way). The problem we have is everybody is fine with judging on the 8 minute clip. The entire altercation needs to be vetted. Why the 4 officers have not been detained is a question right now because they have probably cause (which is enough to detain anybody else). I would venture to say the 4 are in a safe house somewhere right now because with the craziness going on they would be lynched. As to the rioters...after the lunacy of the pipeline protest here in ND. Do not think for one minute that there are not professional trouble makers involved that have no care in the world about George, they are simply creating anarchy in the name of a power elite that pays them to do so. The thing about this clip is, even if they found 10 minutes of him resisting and threatening, he was eventually subdued and outnumbered. Regardless of what happened prior, the end was not justified.
In this case, I see no problem with judging what we see. As I said earlier, this isn't a like Micheal Brown case where we need to have more evidence surface.
Not entirely the degree of penalty needs to be addressed. Murder 1 with nothing of any type of resistance to show in all the evidence. The radio just stated murder in the 3rd and manslaughter.... not enough (25 years imprisonment in Minnesota)
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Post by Purplemachine on May 29, 2020 13:13:51 GMT -6
The thing about this clip is, even if they found 10 minutes of him resisting and threatening, he was eventually subdued and outnumbered. Regardless of what happened prior, the end was not justified.
In this case, I see no problem with judging what we see. As I said earlier, this isn't a like Micheal Brown case where we need to have more evidence surface.
Not entirely the degree of penalty needs to be addressed. Murder 1 with nothing of any type of resistance to show in all the evidence. The radio just stated murder in the 3rd and manslaughter.... not enough (25 years imprisonment in Minnesota) But how long would he last in general population in prison?
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Post by torr on May 29, 2020 13:14:19 GMT -6
.. no further comment at this time
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Post by malschla on May 29, 2020 14:08:08 GMT -6
The thing about this clip is, even if they found 10 minutes of him resisting and threatening, he was eventually subdued and outnumbered. Regardless of what happened prior, the end was not justified.
In this case, I see no problem with judging what we see. As I said earlier, this isn't a like Micheal Brown case where we need to have more evidence surface.
Not entirely the degree of penalty needs to be addressed. Murder 1 with nothing of any type of resistance to show in all the evidence. The radio just stated murder in the 3rd and manslaughter.... not enough (25 years imprisonment in Minnesota) What is the difference between first, second and third degree murder?
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 29, 2020 14:27:50 GMT -6
Not entirely the degree of penalty needs to be addressed. Murder 1 with nothing of any type of resistance to show in all the evidence. The radio just stated murder in the 3rd and manslaughter.... not enough (25 years imprisonment in Minnesota) What is the difference between first, second and third degree murder? www.hg.org/legal-articles/murder-charges-in-minnesota-43141First-Degree Murder Like in many other states, Minnesota considers first-degree murder to be the most serious and heinous form of murder. Due to this classification, not all murder charges are filed as first-degree murder. First-degree murder charges in Minnesota have aggravating factors. Sometimes first-degree murder is based on the identity of the victim. For example killing a spouse after continued domestic abuse, killing a child, killing a cop, killing a judge or killing a witness to thwart his or her testimony in another case are often charged as first-degree murder. In other cases, first-degree charges arise due to the defendant’s conduct. For example, the premeditated murder in which the defendant considers, plans or prepares for the killing beforehand or killing someone during a sexual assault, burglary, aggravated robbery, kidnapping, arson or act of terrorism may be charged as a first-degree murder case. Since Minnesota does not have the death penalty, the harshest punishment for those convicted of first-degree murder is life in prison. An element of the first-degree murder statute is the intent to kill. Second-Degree Murder Second-degree murder can be an intentional killing, but it is not as serious as first-degree murder. Second degree murder can be charged when a defendant intentionally kills another human being but the murder is not premediated. Second-degree murder may result when a person kills out of an intense emotional response or impulse. Additionally, killing someone during a drive-by shooting, killing someone during the commission of a crime that is not sexual assault or killing someone unintentionally while intended to inflict great physical harm to a victim for whom an order of protection was obtained can result in second-degree murder charges. Second-degree murder has a maximum penalty of 40 years in prison. Third-Degree Murder Third-degree murder falls between manslaughter and third-degree murder charges. This murder is not based on having the intent to kill. Third-degree murder is often charged as a depraved heart or mind crime. This charge can arise when a person fires a gun in a crowd without intending to kill anyone, for example. Murder is charged when a person is killed and the defendant has an indifference to the sanctity of human life. This charge may also result if a person sells bad drugs. The maximum penalty for murder is up to 25 years in prison. If the death resulted because of a Schedule I or II drug sale, a fine of up to $40,000 may result. Voluntary Manslaughter Voluntary manslaughter charges may be imposed rather than murder charges when a defendant commits a murder due to being provoked by an intense emotional response. This is often referred to as a “crime of passion.” Other situations may result in this charge when the defendant unintentionally causes another person’s death because of distributing a Schedule III, IV or V controlled substance. Voluntary manslaughter carries with it a maximum punishment of 15 years imprisonment and fines up to $30,000. Involuntary Manslaughter Involuntary manslaughter is essentially a killing based on negligence. For example, mistaking a person as an animal while hunting and shooting him or her. Child neglect that results in death may be charged as involuntary manslaughter. Vehicular homicide in which the negligent operation of a vehicle results in the death of another can also be charged in this way. Maximum penalties for these types of crimes can include up to 10 years in prison and $20,000 in fines.
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