Uncle
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Post by Uncle on May 29, 2020 4:48:41 GMT -6
At the outset of this thread, there was one victim - George Floyd (setting aside the emotional "victims" as a result of the video). And now, as a result of the anarchy that has taken control of the city of Minneapolis, there are several more... When I read that "protesters" (if you want to call them that) gained access to a police precinct and set it on fire, how in the heck can that happen? The Governor called in the National Guard, but where are they? And what is the mayor doing about this instead of stating how emotional he is? We're all human beings and have emotions and feelings, but if you're a public official elected to serve the public you represent, then the mayor needs to step aside if he can't do his job of protecting people/property. Frey said the fire department was working to respond to multiple arson fires in the city. He urged people to move away from the police precinct and made a call for unity.
"We all need to work together to ensure the safety of our friends, family, and Minneapolis residents," the mayor said, according to FOX 9. "And right now working together means clearing the area." ( link) "Clearing the area"? And allow the police department to burn? And allow other stores to burn - taking down the livelihood of the owners and employees who work there along with it? I don't for the life of me understand how setting a city on fire and mob violence isn't a criminal act that should result in doing whatever is necessary to protect people and property against mob violence.... This story isn't about George Floyd anymore...or police brutality...it's about the complete lack of control in the city of Minneapolis and the lack of leadership of officials who are just basically letting it happen....
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vikingdan
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Post by vikingdan on May 29, 2020 6:07:31 GMT -6
Can you imagine the narrative if Mayor of Minneapolis were a Republican or if the Governor were a Republican. The entire issue would be reported as a reflection on Trump and the "hatred" he instigates.
This isn't hard. You send in the troops and arrest anyone looting or destroying property. You restore order. You arrest the police officer who killed George Floyd and you keep him isolated in jail while you look at the rest of the case. George Floyd's murder isn't a reason to steal or burn down your own neighborhood. Mind blowing that riots always destroy the very place people live and then when this is all over life will be even harder. People will not invest in these areas, no new stores and fewer jobs, just a harder life.
Peacefully protesting is always the most powerful way to protest. It attracts more people to your cause, the riots make people turn away and it reinforces stereotypes that make it even harder for the real issues of racism to be changed.
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Uncle
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Post by Uncle on May 29, 2020 6:26:42 GMT -6
I thought Laura Ingram had a powerful opening monologue last night on her show: did Civil Right's activist Rosa Parks bring about change and awareness by inciting and participating in mob violence? Did Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr bring about awareness and change by inciting and participating in violence? Did Susan B Anthony bring about awareness of women's rights by looting business and setting them on fire?
To echo vikingdan's post above, some of the most influential activists in the last 100 yrs didn't incite anarchy to bring about the awareness and change they wanted to see happen. They used peaceful methods and tried to bring about awareness by using knowledge and non-violent acts to bring about that awareness and knowledge....
While I don't know this as fact, I'm wondering if any of the businesses that have suffered in the Twin Cities were minority-owned...if so, what good does it do to burn a business of a minority-owned individual when you're trying to bring about awareness and change to police brutality / discrimination against minorities?
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on May 29, 2020 6:38:36 GMT -6
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 29, 2020 7:03:58 GMT -6
WTF? You wish misery on strangers for no reason? That's fucked up. Is it better to let the looters who are in a state of rage grab owners gun and then its news about a dead store owner instead? read what he wrote again.... the man is dead and he is hoping that the family is miserable as a result? why not I hope he didnt have loved ones that have to mourn his dead dumb ass? there still needs to be compassion for the innocents in all this.
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 29, 2020 7:12:25 GMT -6
WTF? You wish misery on strangers for no reason? That's fucked up. Jimmy as I’m concerned he brought that open himself. You come to my place of business or home to loot or any other no good reason you seal your own destiny. I agree 100% that he brought it upon himself. but what I objected to was somebody wishing/hoping that he left behind people to mourn and be miserable for his loss? why would anybody hope that some innocent people have to mourn the loss of loved one for any reason? I dont care that the pawn shop owner defended his property, in fact I endorse his actions, but to carry it onto the surviving family?
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 29, 2020 7:20:39 GMT -6
i read quotes from rioters "this is a once in a lifetime opportunity" and similar sentiment... how fucked up is that?
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Uncle
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Post by Uncle on May 29, 2020 7:40:48 GMT -6
i read quotes from rioters "this is a once in a lifetime opportunity" and similar sentiment... how fucked up is that? It is insane to me.... A civilized society isn't civilized if there are established laws/controls in place, as well as the the enforcement of those laws/controls....and while I do understand that the notion that continued police "involvement" to break-up mob violence could be seen by some as a continuation of "police brutality", the elected officials along with law enforcement are there to protect people and property from criminal acts...the "laissez-faire" / stand-down attitude from the elected officials of Minneapolis is just insane as they have allowed individuals to perpetuate criminal acts of violence against innocent property owners and possibly put people's lives in danger without repercussions... If we allow people to commit criminal acts without repercussions after every single emotional event, there won't be a civilized society anymore... The initial images and video of what appeared to be the most egregious act of police brutality that most of us have ever seen, has been replaced with complete anarchy.... What the Minneapolis elected officials, along with the MPD have shown the rest of the nation (and world since everyone is seeing this on TV and online across the globe), is that criminal acts of violence will be tolerated after an emotional situation....and that is also a very scary thought because after another similar incident is caught on camera and circulated online for all to see, it's now "Ok" for people who become emotional upon seeing the footage to commit criminal acts and they can do so without any fear of repercussions and put people who wish to have nothing to do with that in danger....
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mjollnir
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Post by mjollnir on May 29, 2020 8:00:35 GMT -6
Multiple choice. A good governor will risk violating constitutional rights by: a) ordering the arrest of a man with clear video evidence of killing another man through negligence, stupidity or evil intent b) ordering the arrests of rioters with clear video evidence of them destroying and stealing property c) ordering that Churches can not meet or their clergy will be arrested The correct answer will shock and likely lead to more stress than this stupid virus ever will. God help us all. In our system of law you are innocent until proven guilty (I agree they need to be arrested by the way). The problem we have is everybody is fine with judging on the 8 minute clip. The entire altercation needs to be vetted. Why the 4 officers have not been detained is a question right now because they have probably cause (which is enough to detain anybody else). I would venture to say the 4 are in a safe house somewhere right now because with the craziness going on they would be lynched. As to the rioters...after the lunacy of the pipeline protest here in ND. Do not think for one minute that there are not professional trouble makers involved that have no care in the world about George, they are simply creating anarchy in the name of a power elite that pays them to do so.
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Uncle
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Post by Uncle on May 29, 2020 8:12:15 GMT -6
In my opinion, the Mayor of Minneapolis has to be one of the worst elected officials in the entire nation....at a time when the city that elected him to serve the public is in complete anarchy and sparking unrest in other areas of the nation, this is one of the statements put out by the Mayor on Thursday: The city government issued a statement on Thursday via its website with the mayor’s request. “The City encourages everyone to exercise caution to stay safe while participating in demonstrations, including wearing masks and physical distancing as much as possible to prevent the spread of COVID-19,” the statement reads. “The City has made hundreds of masks available to protesters this week.” ( link) Stay safe? Be sure to wear your mask and social distance? I don't know if the Mayor has noticed or not, but the rest of the nation and world have sure noticed more important issues within your city than protesters not wearing their mask and social distancing...you basically don't have a city to give orders to anymore... Buried in this article ( link) is the story of a women who wanted to go to a local St. Paul Target store to get medication for her daughter...and obviously can't because of the rioting that is seemingly being allowed to occur...we don't know what type of medication it is and how necessary it is, but if that child suffers permanent physical injury as a result of the mother not being able to get a prescription, and has to risk physical harm in the process of doing so, that is horrible....
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Post by Purplemachine on May 29, 2020 9:41:21 GMT -6
I just heard that officer that was kneeling on the guys neck had been in trouble within the dept before. He has at least a dozen citations against him for police brutality. Amy Klobuchar had also let him off at least once while she was in a position to get this guy out of the dept. So why was he even on the force if this is true? It's beyond ridiculous.
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Post by angryguy77 on May 29, 2020 9:41:52 GMT -6
Multiple choice. A good governor will risk violating constitutional rights by: a) ordering the arrest of a man with clear video evidence of killing another man through negligence, stupidity or evil intent b) ordering the arrests of rioters with clear video evidence of them destroying and stealing property c) ordering that Churches can not meet or their clergy will be arrested The correct answer will shock and likely lead to more stress than this stupid virus ever will. God help us all. In our system of law you are innocent until proven guilty (I agree they need to be arrested by the way). The problem we have is everybody is fine with judging on the 8 minute clip. The entire altercation needs to be vetted. Why the 4 officers have not been detained is a question right now because they have probably cause (which is enough to detain anybody else). I would venture to say the 4 are in a safe house somewhere right now because with the craziness going on they would be lynched. As to the rioters...after the lunacy of the pipeline protest here in ND. Do not think for one minute that there are not professional trouble makers involved that have no care in the world about George, they are simply creating anarchy in the name of a power elite that pays them to do so. The thing about this clip is, even if they found 10 minutes of him resisting and threatening, he was eventually subdued and outnumbered. Regardless of what happened prior, the end was not justified.
In this case, I see no problem with judging what we see. As I said earlier, this isn't a like Micheal Brown case where we need to have more evidence surface.
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Post by angryguy77 on May 29, 2020 9:42:46 GMT -6
I just heard that officer that was kneeling on the guys neck had been in trouble within the dept before. He has at least a dozen citations against him for police brutality. Amy Klobuchar had also let him off at least once while she was in a position to get this guy out of the dept. So why was he even on the force if this is true? It's beyond ridiculous. I'm going to guess the police union probably had something to do with it.
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greylock
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Post by greylock on May 29, 2020 9:51:03 GMT -6
Noticed that the looting and torching of businesses has moved to St. Paul. Not only is this having a devastating effect on business owners that lose everything they have worked for, but now both cities are going to have enormous economic destruction following an already economic devastation from Covid19.
This could be just the beginning for the area as the NHL is or was considering St. Paul as a hub for the return of playoff hockey. This alone would have pumped millions of dollars into local hotels, restaurants, and other small businesses into both cities. Now...the NHL probably can't distance themselves from St. Paul fast enough. A great opportunity to get back on the economic track and it may all have been derailed by ignorant people that see this as a once in a lifetime chance.
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Post by eternalpurple on May 29, 2020 10:53:59 GMT -6
At the outset of this thread, there was one victim - George Floyd (setting aside the emotional "victims" as a result of the video). And now, as a result of the anarchy that has taken control of the city of Minneapolis, there are several more... When I read that "protesters" (if you want to call them that) gained access to a police precinct and set it on fire, how in the heck can that happen? The Governor called in the National Guard, but where are they? And what is the mayor doing about this instead of stating how emotional he is? We're all human beings and have emotions and feelings, but if you're a public official elected to serve the public you represent, then the mayor needs to step aside if he can't do his job of protecting people/property. Frey said the fire department was working to respond to multiple arson fires in the city. He urged people to move away from the police precinct and made a call for unity.
"We all need to work together to ensure the safety of our friends, family, and Minneapolis residents," the mayor said, according to FOX 9. "And right now working together means clearing the area." ( link) "Clearing the area"? And allow the police department to burn? And allow other stores to burn - taking down the livelihood of the owners and employees who work there along with it? I don't for the life of me understand how setting a city on fire and mob violence isn't a criminal act that should result in doing whatever is necessary to protect people and property against mob violence.... This story isn't about George Floyd anymore...or police brutality...it's about the complete lack of control in the city of Minneapolis and the lack of leadership of officials who are just basically letting it happen.... This is the way or governments, city, state and federal have long sense decided to handle blacks when they riot. It started years ago in in LA. California. Let them pillage and steal until they exhaust themselves..............Then pick up the pieces and give them something.
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