JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on Jan 22, 2021 12:26:18 GMT -6
As of now I have no intention of getting the vaccine... JimmyinSD. Even though I am at high risk..having had a quad by pass, cancer,parkinsons, asbestos in lungs, and age. I get it I get it. No one knows if there is an tomorrow anyway... I am at peace with my future. It’s not mandatory. But can see the push for that coming. Even though shouldn’t it be our right our our choice to decide.. they can put that needle in me as soon as they repeal abortion... my body my choice mother fuckers!
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Post by vikingfan52 on Jan 22, 2021 12:37:20 GMT -6
As of now I have no intention of getting the vaccine... JimmyinSD. Even though I am at high risk..having had a quad by pass, cancer,parkinsons, asbestos in lungs, and age. I get it I get it. No one knows if there is an tomorrow anyway... I am at peace with my future. It’s not mandatory. But can see the push for that coming. Even though shouldn’t it be our right our our choice to decide.. they can put that needle in me as soon as they repeal abortion... my body my choice mother fuckers! It should be our choice. And our choice only... just like the wearing of masks., personally I think it might be smart to wear and not so smart not to, The choice should mine or yours, not government dictating,... I say might be smart to eear, as I am not 100% sold. Siding on the side of caution.. but then hen I am not afraid to shake someone’s hand in greeting them.. keep the darned government out of jy life.
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Post by skolognevikings on Jan 22, 2021 13:15:35 GMT -6
In Germany the total number of people that died in 2020 increased from 937k (2019) to 972k (2020) what equals about 3,5 %.
This may not be so much, but you have to consider, that the pandemic did not start at January 1st. The covid-related death in Germany was reported in Week 10. If you look at the numbers before this week you can see a total of 173k (2020) and 177k (2019). Even though 2019 a 3k higher we can agree, that this is pretty much the same. So lets look at the time when the pandemic startet in Germany: From week 10 we had 798k (2020) and 759k (2019). This equals an increase of 5 %, which should be out of statistic accident. Did not check that mathematically but you get pretty the same results if you check it with other years.
If you look at the total number you get nearly 40k more death people during the time of the pandemic. 2018 we had a year with a little more deaths. In the relevant window we have 766k death people. If we take these two numbers you will get about 30k to 40k more deaths. Guess how much deaths reported in Germany until Jan 1st: 34,145 reported cases. This is no contingency. Covid is no hoax.
I found a site and looked at deaths per 1,000: 2016: 11.066 2017: 11.112 2018: 11.158 2019: 11.275 2020: 11.392 Those are normal numbers with gradual increases of less than 1% www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/death-rateYou need to check those sources. The headline clearly says that this chart does not include any effects of the pandemic. The chart is based on the UN Population Projection from 2019! 2020 is a Projection. If you want to check the numbers I delivered here is my source: www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Sterbefaelle-Lebenserwartung/Tabellen/sonderauswertung-sterbefaelle.htmlYou probably won't understand the german language but you can download an excel map and you will see the numbers on a daily or weekly view (like you want).
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on Jan 22, 2021 13:24:52 GMT -6
they can put that needle in me as soon as they repeal abortion... my body my choice mother fuckers! It should be our choice. And our choice only... just like the wearing of masks., personally I think it might be smart to wear and not so smart not to, The choice should mine or yours, not government dictating,... I say might be smart to eear, as I am not 100% sold. Siding on the side of caution.. but then hen I am not afraid to shake someone’s hand in greeting them.. keep the darned government out of jy life. I am in total agreement, if a business has a mask mandate that is 100% up to them and is their right, its my right to decide if I want to go in there or not, and if my desire to do business with them is greater than my desire to not wear a mask I need to put on a mask and STFU about it.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 22, 2021 14:27:53 GMT -6
No, it says rates afterwards are projections. It says they did mot breakout Covid separately but these include all deaths regardless reason. So here’s another one go to indexmindi and look it up: 2010: 10.80 2011: 10.92 2012: 11.04 2013: 11.17 2014: 11.29 2015: 11.42 2016: 11.56 2017: 11.70 2018: 11.83 2019: 11.97 2020: 12.10 I cab keep showing the death rates are in like with historical. All other death types went down because healthcare industry gets way more money if can attach it to Covid in any way. It was a money thing.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 22, 2021 16:22:54 GMT -6
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Post by gophersturf10 on Jan 22, 2021 17:13:21 GMT -6
As of now I have no intention of getting the vaccine... JimmyinSD. Even though I am at high risk..having had a quad by pass, cancer,parkinsons, asbestos in lungs, and age. I get it I get it. No one knows if there is an tomorrow anyway... I am at peace with my future. It’s not mandatory. But can see the push for that coming. Even though shouldn’t it be our right our our choice to decide.. they can put that needle in me as soon as they repeal abortion... my body my choice mother fuckers! This.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 22, 2021 17:32:09 GMT -6
Yes and no. I guess I am ambivalent. I want employers to be free to pick who they feel fits the job best and would benefit the org the most. I guess it would bother me if they picked a less skilled candidate and discriminated against a more qualified person. Sometimes a more cohesive group is more productive than a more skilled group, if that makes any sense. It's tough. Thankfully, that is for the courts to decide and not me. I fear I would be all over the place. So.to be clear if an employer doesn't want to hire someone based on each, sexual orientation, religion etc, you feel that is ok? Leave skill out of it. Only reason candidate A doesn't get hired is due to their race, while candidate B gets hired because of it.....that you are ambivalent over? Leaving skill out of it, and A doesn't get hired due to their race and B does that is clear discrimination and I feel it is wrong. However, I am still ambivalent. It is his business. Utopia me wants the best candidate hired irregardless. Not naive me knows that is not always the case.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 22, 2021 17:39:17 GMT -6
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 22, 2021 19:19:42 GMT -6
So.to be clear if an employer doesn't want to hire someone based on each, sexual orientation, religion etc, you feel that is ok? Leave skill out of it. Only reason candidate A doesn't get hired is due to their race, while candidate B gets hired because of it.....that you are ambivalent over? Leaving skill out of it, and A doesn't get hired due to their race and B does that is clear discrimination and I feel it is wrong. However, I am still ambivalent. It is his business. Utopia me wants the best candidate hired irregardless. Not naive me knows that is not always the case. Yet when we talked about bakers being made to make a cake you supported that. hypocrite.
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greylock
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Post by greylock on Jan 22, 2021 19:42:26 GMT -6
They can keep mine then. If I decide to get the vaccine it will be my decision and mine alone. Fuck the government for trying to make it mandatory.
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Post by skolognevikings on Jan 23, 2021 3:06:27 GMT -6
No, it says rates afterwards are projections. It says they did mot breakout Covid separately but these include all deaths regardless reason. So here’s another one go to indexmindi and look it up: 2010: 10.80 2011: 10.92 2012: 11.04 2013: 11.17 2014: 11.29 2015: 11.42 2016: 11.56 2017: 11.70 2018: 11.83 2019: 11.97 2020: 12.10 I cab keep showing the death rates are in like with historical. All other death types went down because healthcare industry gets way more money if can attach it to Covid in any way. It was a money thing. No no. The red box above the chart clearly says it: All 2020 AND later data are UN projections and do not include any impact of the Covid-19 Virus. If you look just under the chart they deliver their data source. If you look at this you get to the report of the UN. It is from 2019. It is impossible that this chart shows correct numbers for 2020. Regarding the numbers from your post. I don't exactly know on which population this is based, but it has to be sth around 80M. If you calculate with 80.3M people. With 80.3M (the german population did not grow in 2020) people you would get a rate of 11.64, so it is much beyond the 2019 level and does not show an normal increase of the level. It is almost five times as high as you have shown with this numbers.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 23, 2021 5:36:58 GMT -6
Leaving skill out of it, and A doesn't get hired due to their race and B does that is clear discrimination and I feel it is wrong. However, I am still ambivalent. It is his business. Utopia me wants the best candidate hired irregardless. Not naive me knows that is not always the case. Yet when we talked about bakers being made to make a cake you supported that. hypocrite. I am not perfect. Religious people invoke a particularly strong feeling in me, hence my lack of ambivalence in that situation.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 25, 2021 9:42:51 GMT -6
Yet when we talked about bakers being made to make a cake you supported that. hypocrite. I am not perfect. Religious people invoke a particularly strong feeling in me, hence my lack of ambivalence in that situation. Go figure, a leftist who wants to have a different set of rules for those of a faith. You didn't need to say this, we already knew it. How you apply your "values" is the same as every other liberal. You support policies that punish your enemies, not those that actually help your neighbor. It's not a lack of ambivalence, it's a lack of character. You don't need to be perfect, you just have to stop putting your party over your country. You wonder why you get muted by many and hammered on here? It's because you claim to be something you are not.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 25, 2021 12:11:34 GMT -6
Trump predicted all of these cities and states doing this. That leftists are ok with it so someday when right takes all three houses no bitching
William Barrett William Barrett @williammbarrett
26m · Newsom Lifts Strict Stay-at-Home Order From All CA Regions Even Though Covid Cases Are Higher Than When Order Started in December
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