BadgerVol
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Post by BadgerVol on Jan 19, 2021 8:41:12 GMT -6
Wanted to make a solo post about this because I’ve brought it up in the election thread awhile ago and a couple of you were interested and maybe some others will be also.
You know me as a 2nd Amendment, conservative, Christian who I hope comes off as level headed and goofy. (Goofy is a critical part I think).
My wife is 42, degree in Biology, has done cardio vascular researched and is published, and has spent the last 16 years doing Pharmaceutical drug research as a clinical pathologist. She works for Lab Corp, which is one of the main competitors of Pfizer who produced the vaccine. Lab Corp was mentioned by Trump and others early on as one of the few companies making the initial tests. She’s a christian conservative. She does believe in vaccines but not ALL vaccines. She does her own research into every needle we stick into our bodies as a family. 😂
She has two other co workers who are the same as her. They’ve put their heads together to dig as much as they felt they needed to on the vaccine to conclude that they have zero concerns about it as a standard vaccine. Therefore we will be getting it as a family ASAP.
Take this for what it’s worth! Sometimes it helps to have someone not on the news and just an ordinary person to shed light on something so if it helps great. 🇺🇸
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Post by gophersturf10 on Jan 19, 2021 8:48:33 GMT -6
Take a double dose, consider it a gift from yours truly.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 19, 2021 9:41:07 GMT -6
messenger RNA as a vax and monoclonal antibodies are fascinating science. I fully intend to learn more about these amazing new treatments. As soon as I get time.
The scientific and medical advances of the last 50 years is astonishing and I can't wait for what the next 50 years brings.
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on Jan 19, 2021 10:31:17 GMT -6
messenger RNA as a vax and monoclonal antibodies are fascinating science. I fully intend to learn more about these amazing new treatments. As soon as I get time. The scientific and medical advances of the last 50 years is astonishing and I can't wait for what the next 50 years brings. if you can remember the last 50 years, i predict you/we will be dead by the end of the next 50. Me... I only really care about the next 25 or so years.
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malschla
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Post by malschla on Jan 19, 2021 11:08:06 GMT -6
Here is my thought on the current anti-vax movement:
Are there side effects? Yes. Are there allergic reactions? Yes.
However, these are anomalous. Please don’t do what some have done with the virus and use the exceptions as the rule.
This is amazing science. One of the reasons it is being tested in this way is because if it does work, there could be rapid vaccines to a large number of viruses that plague the world.
Whether or not you get the vaccine is a personal choice, but please base your decision on reason, not fear.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 19, 2021 11:21:46 GMT -6
Here is my thought on the current anti-vax movement: Are there side effects? Yes. Are there allergic reactions? Yes. However, these are anomalous. Please don’t do what some have done with the virus and use the exceptions as the rule. This is amazing science. One of the reasons it is being tested in this way is because if it does work, there could be rapid vaccines to a large number of viruses that plague the world. Whether or not you get the vaccine is a personal choice, but please base your decision on reason, not fear. They're not telling anyone who has been given the vaccine that they can live life like normal. They still want us locked down wearing masks. So I can take a shot that may have side effects, but get no other benefits other than an increased chance of not getting a bug with a less than one percent death rate? Hard pass for me. I see very little point. Phizer can go screw itself for withholding the vaccine info until after the election. I am not an anti vaxer, but I don't believe this company has my best interests at heart.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 19, 2021 11:53:57 GMT -6
I just don’t trust any shot yet. Unless your wife helped create it and knows the inside details we just don’t know side effects until time goes by. I respect you posted it and no hard feelings but it was rushed out and data is still coming in.
Here is one article saying one brand has problems. I took many shots on Navy and had some bad reactions to some. I never get flu shot and never get flu. If this does work it will need refreshed due to strains. Big money is behind it thus negative articles are mostly squashed by MSM. Need more time and studies.
Alex Berenson @alexberenson · 1h 3/ BTW: Israel targeted vaccinations at older people. It's possible some are seeing some benefit from the first dose that the overall test positivity rates obscure, but
A) We don't know. B) We don't know if someone who gains immunity fast would have easily beaten #Covid anyway.
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BadgerVol
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Post by BadgerVol on Jan 19, 2021 12:31:14 GMT -6
I just don’t trust any shot yet. Unless your wife helped create it and knows the inside details we just don’t know side effects until time goes by. I respect you posted it and no hard feelings but it was rushed out and data is still coming in. Here is one article saying one brand has problems. I took many shots on Navy and had some bad reactions to some. I never get flu shot and never get flu. If this does work it will need refreshed due to strains. Big money is behind it thus negative articles are mostly squashed by MSM. Need more time and studies. Alex Berenson @alexberenson · 1h 3/ BTW: Israel targeted vaccinations at older people. It's possible some are seeing some benefit from the first dose that the overall test positivity rates obscure, but A) We don't know. B) We don't know if someone who gains immunity fast would have easily beaten #Covid anyway. I get your feelings 100%. And you’re correct that she didn’t develop it herself. And it’s hard to explain without a book but she knows what’s in it, how it was tested, etc because their companies are basically identical. She’s far from a “take anything any company puts out” unless she can trust it thru research and understanding it inside and out. Just throwing it out there as someone who’s “an average joe” so to speak. By no means should you get or not get it based on BadgerVol’s Wife’s take lol
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 19, 2021 14:16:20 GMT -6
messenger RNA as a vax and monoclonal antibodies are fascinating science. I fully intend to learn more about these amazing new treatments. As soon as I get time. The scientific and medical advances of the last 50 years is astonishing and I can't wait for what the next 50 years brings. if you can remember the last 50 years, i predict you/we will be dead by the end of the next 50. Me... I only really care about the next 25 or so years. Very true. But you never know, medical science in the next 25 years just may buy us another 25 years after that.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 19, 2021 14:47:10 GMT -6
Posting as I run into articles. Form your own opinions though there is likely not one easy answer and it will take time and studies to see true results: Norway Warns Against Vaccinating Frail, Terminally Ill People as Deaths Reported Svein Andersen, 67-year-old resident of 'Ellingsrud home' and first in Norway to receive the vaccine, is given the Pfizer-BioNTech CCP vaccine by nurse Maria Golding in Oslo, Norway, on Dec. 27, 2020. (Fredrik Hagen/NTB/AFP via Getty Images) Officials in Norway said they’re investigating the deaths of about two dozen elderly patients who received the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and are reviewing whether adverse reactions to the vaccine “may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients.” Reports of adverse reactions with a fatal outcome “suggest that common adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients,” said Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, in a statement on Jan. 18. An agency spokesperson told CBS News that the “patients died from their underlying disease.” Of 13 cases analyzed so far, “they are people of advanced age, are frail, and have serious illnesses, all of them,” said Camilla Stoltenberg, the director of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health, according to CBS News. “It is important to remember that on average, about 45 people die every day at nursing homes in Norway, so it’s not given that this represents any excess mortality or that they are related to the vaccines,” she said. In its update on Jan. 18, the Norwegian Medicines Agency said that all deaths that occur within days of the vaccination will be investigated. “We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease,” the statement reads. “We have now repeated our existing advice not to give the vaccine to terminally ill patients,” a spokeswoman for the agency told the Wall Street Journal. MOST READ The spokeswoman attempted to allay fears of links between the deaths and the vaccine, saying that there’s no evidence the shot is unsafe. On Jan. 14, Norwegian officials changed the country’s CCP virus vaccination guide and said “very frail” people should not receive the shot. “If you are very frail, you should probably not be vaccinated,” Steinar Madsen at the Norwegian Medicines Agency told reporters last week. As of Jan. 14, more than 42,000 people in Norway received the CCP virus vaccine. Authorities have reported 23 cases of elderly recipients who were suffering from serious medical conditions dying after receiving the vaccine. Pfizer and BioNTech told news outlets on Jan. 18 that the two firms are now “working with the Norwegian Medicines Agency to gather all the relevant information” following the deaths. “Our immediate thoughts are with the bereaved families,” Pfizer said. Denmark, Finland, Sweden, and Iceland have all reported post-vaccination deaths. Fifty-five people in the United States have died post-vaccination, according to reports that have been filed to a passive system. m.theepochtimes.com/norway-warns-against-vaccinating-frail-and-terminally-ill-people-after-reported-deaths_3661390.html
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 19, 2021 21:51:34 GMT -6
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 19, 2021 21:53:18 GMT -6
L @somebitchiknow
4m · Every death that is remotely related to Covid has been counted as a Covid death.
Every death that has occurred after the vaccine has been considered "inconclusive" or "coincidental."
Ask yourself why that is.
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on Jan 21, 2021 9:55:56 GMT -6
if you can remember the last 50 years, i predict you/we will be dead by the end of the next 50. Me... I only really care about the next 25 or so years. Very true. But you never know, medical science in the next 25 years just may buy us another 25 years after that. I cant speak for you, but God I hope not... as much as my body has broken down in the last 20 years, I am terrified of what the next 20 will bring.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 21, 2021 10:04:28 GMT -6
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malschla
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Post by malschla on Jan 21, 2021 11:05:06 GMT -6
L @somebitchiknow 4m · Every death that is remotely related to Covid has been counted as a Covid death. Every death that has occurred after the vaccine has been considered "inconclusive" or "coincidental." Ask yourself why that is. Let’s just make sure we don’t do the same thing, which would be to write off every COVID death but blame every death on the vaccine.
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