holmanjp
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Post by holmanjp on Jan 21, 2021 18:54:12 GMT -6
Freedom is not do whatever you want. You are free to be unemployed if your employer requires the vax and free to home school your kids if the school requires it. That's still freedom. And capitalism come to think about it. The laws enforced by EEOC protect you from employment discrimination when it involves: Unfair treatment because of your race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, gender identity, and sexual orientation), national origin, disability, age (age 40 or older), or genetic information. Vaccines are against my religion.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 21, 2021 18:58:38 GMT -6
I implore people to not base their decision regarding vaccination on any tweet or misinformation you read on any social media site. Please, please, please discuss this intimately with your provider, family doctor or local healthcare practitioner in a candid and honest way.
If you do that, no decision you make after that is right or wrong. It is the best decision you can make for yourself with all the information you need.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 21, 2021 19:06:04 GMT -6
Freedom is not do whatever you want. You are free to be unemployed if your employer requires the vax and free to home school your kids if the school requires it. That's still freedom. And capitalism come to think about it. The laws enforced by EEOC protect you from employment discrimination when it involves: Unfair treatment because of your race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, gender identity, and sexual orientation), national origin, disability, age (age 40 or older), or genetic information. Vaccines are against my religion. Very interesting point. I am sure there is case law regarding this and I believe it does not favor religion. I believe school districts have already been allowed to deny enrollment to anti-vaxers, but I am unsure. Not at all sure this is different than companies drug testing employees however. It will be interesting to see if this goes to court like the cake for a gay wedding did. Not hard to work around though, in a capitalists society. If a company feels strongly enough that vaccines should be required, they will find another reason to not hire you or fire you soon enough. So one may need to decide if that is a sword they wish to die on.
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BadgerVol
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Post by BadgerVol on Jan 21, 2021 19:18:49 GMT -6
The laws enforced by EEOC protect you from employment discrimination when it involves: Unfair treatment because of your race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, gender identity, and sexual orientation), national origin, disability, age (age 40 or older), or genetic information. Vaccines are against my religion. Very interesting point. I am sure there is case law regarding this and I believe it does not favor religion. I believe school districts have already been allowed to deny enrollment to anti-vaxers, but I am unsure. Not at all sure this is different than companies drug testing employees however. It will be interesting to see if this goes to court like the cake for a gay wedding did. Not hard to work around though, in a capitalists society. If a company feels strongly enough that vaccines should be required, they will find another reason to not hire you or fire you soon enough. So one may need to decide if that is a sword they wish to die on. I’m sure that happens...like if a company doesn’t want someone of color working for them or gay? Find another reason to get rid of them?
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Post by Purplemachine on Jan 21, 2021 19:23:58 GMT -6
We had a guy in town here who committed suicide. They checked if had covid and he did so death was covid not the gunshot wound. Don't believe their numbers. How do you know his death was listed as Covid? Copy of the Death Cert.? This is highly unbelievable, but am open to being proven wrong. Post was modified to meet your expectations. Carry on.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 21, 2021 19:49:44 GMT -6
Very interesting point. I am sure there is case law regarding this and I believe it does not favor religion. I believe school districts have already been allowed to deny enrollment to anti-vaxers, but I am unsure. Not at all sure this is different than companies drug testing employees however. It will be interesting to see if this goes to court like the cake for a gay wedding did. Not hard to work around though, in a capitalists society. If a company feels strongly enough that vaccines should be required, they will find another reason to not hire you or fire you soon enough. So one may need to decide if that is a sword they wish to die on. I’m sure that happens...like if a company doesn’t want someone of color working for them or gay? Find another reason to get rid of them? Happens all the time.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 21, 2021 19:51:59 GMT -6
Supposedly we had a guy in town here who committed suicide maybe yes, maybe no. They checked if he had covid and he did so death was labeled covid not the gunshot wound. Don't believe their numbers. This post has been modified to not upset the kramer. This post has been modified to not upset the kramer. I was not upset. Just asking questions inquiring minds want to know. Please do not worry about my feelings, search your own.
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Post by vikingfan52 on Jan 21, 2021 21:52:32 GMT -6
Just wondering.. I understand 400khVe died from covid...Is that a guaranteed fact all 400k died of Covid. That there is no possibility it could not have been something else like Firth’s flu etc... How many die each year from the flu... How many of those 400k were in nursing homes. On there daily death bed. How many of those 400k were in nursing homes. Still people of value. With loved ones who love and cherish them. Don’t get me wrong here. I am not saying those who died in nursing homes etc didn’t have value... just that had they caught the flu, pneumonia, or something else, let alone the death be natural.
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Post by skolognevikings on Jan 22, 2021 9:04:54 GMT -6
If you check the total number of deaths in the US in 2019 vs 2020, you will fine that they are appx the same. The total number of deaths has been increasing by about 1 percent each year since 2010. 400,000 coded as covid in 2020 and 0 in 2019. In Germany the total number of people that died in 2020 increased from 937k (2019) to 972k (2020) what equals about 3,5 %.
This may not be so much, but you have to consider, that the pandemic did not start at January 1st. The covid-related death in Germany was reported in Week 10. If you look at the numbers before this week you can see a total of 173k (2020) and 177k (2019). Even though 2019 a 3k higher we can agree, that this is pretty much the same. So lets look at the time when the pandemic startet in Germany: From week 10 we had 798k (2020) and 759k (2019). This equals an increase of 5 %, which should be out of statistic accident. Did not check that mathematically but you get pretty the same results if you check it with other years.
If you look at the total number you get nearly 40k more death people during the time of the pandemic. 2018 we had a year with a little more deaths. In the relevant window we have 766k death people. If we take these two numbers you will get about 30k to 40k more deaths. Guess how much deaths reported in Germany until Jan 1st: 34,145 reported cases. This is no contingency. Covid is no hoax.
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 22, 2021 9:26:10 GMT -6
If you check the total number of deaths in the US in 2019 vs 2020, you will fine that they are appx the same. The total number of deaths has been increasing by about 1 percent each year since 2010. 400,000 coded as covid in 2020 and 0 in 2019. In Germany the total number of people that died in 2020 increased from 937k (2019) to 972k (2020) what equals about 3,5 %.
This may not be so much, but you have to consider, that the pandemic did not start at January 1st. The covid-related death in Germany was reported in Week 10. If you look at the numbers before this week you can see a total of 173k (2020) and 177k (2019). Even though 2019 a 3k higher we can agree, that this is pretty much the same. So lets look at the time when the pandemic startet in Germany: From week 10 we had 798k (2020) and 759k (2019). This equals an increase of 5 %, which should be out of statistic accident. Did not check that mathematically but you get pretty the same results if you check it with other years.
If you look at the total number you get nearly 40k more death people during the time of the pandemic. 2018 we had a year with a little more deaths. In the relevant window we have 766k death people. If we take these two numbers you will get about 30k to 40k more deaths. Guess how much deaths reported in Germany until Jan 1st: 34,145 reported cases. This is no contingency. Covid is no hoax.
To be meaningful you need you to show the past 5-7 years. If each year your death rate increased 4% and now its 3.5% would that mean Covid saved lives?
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 22, 2021 11:38:24 GMT -6
I’m sure that happens...like if a company doesn’t want someone of color working for them or gay? Find another reason to get rid of them? Happens all the time. And you are ok with employers doing this correct?
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 22, 2021 11:49:10 GMT -6
And you are ok with employers doing this correct? Yes and no. I guess I am ambivalent. I want employers to be free to pick who they feel fits the job best and would benefit the org the most. I guess it would bother me if they picked a less skilled candidate and discriminated against a more qualified person. Sometimes a more cohesive group is more productive than a more skilled group, if that makes any sense. It's tough. Thankfully, that is for the courts to decide and not me. I fear I would be all over the place.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 22, 2021 11:59:31 GMT -6
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 22, 2021 12:02:17 GMT -6
And you are ok with employers doing this correct? Yes and no. I guess I am ambivalent. I want employers to be free to pick who they feel fits the job best and would benefit the org the most. I guess it would bother me if they picked a less skilled candidate and discriminated against a more qualified person. Sometimes a more cohesive group is more productive than a more skilled group, if that makes any sense. It's tough. Thankfully, that is for the courts to decide and not me. I fear I would be all over the place. So.to be clear if an employer doesn't want to hire someone based on each, sexual orientation, religion etc, you feel that is ok? Leave skill out of it. Only reason candidate A doesn't get hired is due to their race, while candidate B gets hired because of it.....that you are ambivalent over?
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 22, 2021 12:15:42 GMT -6
If you check the total number of deaths in the US in 2019 vs 2020, you will fine that they are appx the same. The total number of deaths has been increasing by about 1 percent each year since 2010. 400,000 coded as covid in 2020 and 0 in 2019. In Germany the total number of people that died in 2020 increased from 937k (2019) to 972k (2020) what equals about 3,5 %.
This may not be so much, but you have to consider, that the pandemic did not start at January 1st. The covid-related death in Germany was reported in Week 10. If you look at the numbers before this week you can see a total of 173k (2020) and 177k (2019). Even though 2019 a 3k higher we can agree, that this is pretty much the same. So lets look at the time when the pandemic startet in Germany: From week 10 we had 798k (2020) and 759k (2019). This equals an increase of 5 %, which should be out of statistic accident. Did not check that mathematically but you get pretty the same results if you check it with other years.
If you look at the total number you get nearly 40k more death people during the time of the pandemic. 2018 we had a year with a little more deaths. In the relevant window we have 766k death people. If we take these two numbers you will get about 30k to 40k more deaths. Guess how much deaths reported in Germany until Jan 1st: 34,145 reported cases. This is no contingency. Covid is no hoax.
I found a site and looked at deaths per 1,000: 2016: 11.066 2017: 11.112 2018: 11.158 2019: 11.275 2020: 11.392 Those are normal numbers with gradual increases of less than 1% www.macrotrends.net/countries/DEU/germany/death-rate
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