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Post by Uncle on Apr 24, 2020 10:09:30 GMT -6
58th pick is way too much compensation and if Washington wants to demand that much, then I don't force things and just resign ourselves to taking a developmental LT like Prince Tego. With us sitting at #58, we'd have to trade Rd 3 pick to move up for Ezra or Josh Jones, and we just have too many roster holes for that...and then you mine as well forget about Madubuike, Elliott, Gallimore and try for Agim at #117. Assuming Harris stays and we don't need a starting FS, I actually try and trade back from #58 to the top of the 3rd (pick up another 4th) and try to fill gaps with Day 3 picks reluctantly.... # (top of 3rd pick): Prince Tego, OT - start Rashod Hill, kick Reiff inside to LG, and Prince is ready in 2021 at LT #89 Reggie Robinson II or Bryce Hall - still need another outside CB #105 Trevis Gipson or Alex Highsmith # (top of 4th from trading back in 2nd) - McTelvin Agim, DT; basically Justin Madubuike "light" and another Armon Watts; maybe he develops into more #117 Jake Fromm; high-floor backup QB capable of managing offense and can help Cousins in QB room #132 Brandon Jones, S; sort of a mult-tool S prospect; can develop into S in Yr 3 probably I feel like the value was in extra Day 2 selections, but instead we took Day 1 and beefed-up for Day 3....not really a fan of that approach but the coaches will have to develop Day 3 into solid starters in 2022+ for that strategy to work out...man, would have loved the LAC offer at #22 and drafted Aiyuk at #25....much better Day 2 position to do what we want vs what we're left with.... I'm starting to get the sense that they'll wait to see Josh Jones or Ezra Cleveland start to slide into Vikings range at #58. If that doesn't happen, and I'd be very surprised if it does, maybe that forces their hand a little towards giving the Redskins either a 3rd or a 4th round pick. I think ultimately they'd rather have that than wait another year for a 3rd round compensatory pick and have his $14.5m salary on the books, preventing them from making big moves in post-draft free agency. Josh Jones might go to Cincy at #33 to start Round 2 - he's the top player available on many boards out there and Cincy does need protection for Burrow. They have a returning Jonah Williams and then Josh Jones - should give them solid bookends, although both need a year since Jonah redshirted 2019 due to injury. And then you're left w/ Ezra who I agree will not see the 50's, IMO. I get the feeling that we're seeing 2018 all over again when all the tea leaves were there for the runs on OL prospects and the Vikes didn't think that would happen and they sort of lucked out w/ O'Neill at the backend of the round. The cost to trade up into Ezra or Madubuike range is likely going to cost us #89 and we lose a valuable Day 2 pick (I think it's valuable to this team right now anyway). I'd rather not lose a Day 2 pick and just go a developmental LT. Prince Tego is likely gone the top end of Rd 3 and will only cost us approx 100 or so draft pts to move up in range and we have Day 3 ammo for that. Madabuike is a pipe-dream at #58 and I don't want another Jaleel type at #58 which is what I think Elliott & Gallimore are, so I trade back from #58 and hope to pick up another 3rd Rounder somehow - maybe another Rd 4 pick and go IOL with my first pick in the 3rd (Robert Hunt or Jonah Jackson). I take my lumps again in 2020 w/ Rashod Hill or Reiff at LT and have Prince Tego developing to take the spot in 2021. Then we swing for Agim possibly for the backend of Rd 3 or Rd 4 if he makes it - he's the only other 3T I see that has a ceiling above "just a guy" like Jaleel. Man, that LAC package they gave to NE just stings me today...really would have loved that package....
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Post by skrill on Apr 24, 2020 10:18:56 GMT -6
Had a bit of fun with the PFF mock simulator, this wouldn't be too bad I guess... I definitely can't see Madubuike falling that far, or Amik to #89, but that would be some haul if they can pull off the Trent Williams trade!
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Post by Uncle on Apr 24, 2020 10:23:40 GMT -6
Had a bit of fun with the PFF mock simulator, this wouldn't be too bad I guess... I definitely can't see Madubuike falling that far, or Amik to #89, but that would be some haul if they can pull off the Trent Williams trade! I can't realistically see that either.... ...but hey, I didn't see Tristan Wirfs falling to #13....CeeDee Lamb falling to Dallas at #17....or Arnette going in Rd 1.... Kiper stated last night after Round 1 that he expects 5-6 RB's going in Rd 2....maybe the RB's and EDGE guys (Gross-Matos, AJ Epenesa, Okwara) muck it up enough that Madubuike drops to #58....
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Post by Uncle on Apr 24, 2020 11:28:05 GMT -6
The Latest on Trent Williams as of 1 PM ET Friday Per NFL sources to RedskinsReport.com - the Redskins are still entertaining best offers from multiple teams. The Vikings are absolutely one of them, but our understanding is it's not just ONE team. "It's alive for sure and ongoing" is what one source said. The price for Trent Williams contract has & might still be going down because NOBODY wants to pay it.linkHave to wonder if the Browns are still in the mix. Do they view Wills as more of a OG? If so, Williams and Wills might be there choice. Same with Tampa - they could view Wirfs as more of a OG and still pursue Williams (not sure how the cap works for them though).
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Post by Uncle on Apr 24, 2020 13:11:48 GMT -6
Trent's deal looks good compared to this:
Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL Texans have finalized a three-year contract extension worth $22 million per year with Pro Bowl left tackle Laremy Tunsil, according to league sources. The deal includes $57 million guaranteed, which includes a $13 million signing bonus 2:43 PM · Apr 24, 2020·TweetDeck
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Post by Norseman on Apr 24, 2020 13:23:53 GMT -6
Trent's deal looks good compared to this: Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL Texans have finalized a three-year contract extension worth $22 million per year with Pro Bowl left tackle Laremy Tunsil, according to league sources. The deal includes $57 million guaranteed, which includes a $13 million signing bonus 2:43 PM · Apr 24, 2020·TweetDeckYikes!!!
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Post by OkieDokie on Apr 24, 2020 13:32:44 GMT -6
Trent's deal looks good compared to this: Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL Texans have finalized a three-year contract extension worth $22 million per year with Pro Bowl left tackle Laremy Tunsil, according to league sources. The deal includes $57 million guaranteed, which includes a $13 million signing bonus 2:43 PM · Apr 24, 2020·TweetDeckDoesn’t that hurt our chances for Trent? He might wanna get paid or Skins hold out for more value? I will say, it will be resolved by end of tonight. If we don’t have him we go OT in draft and Skins are out of luck. Its a game of chicken
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Post by Uncle on Apr 24, 2020 14:13:14 GMT -6
Trent's deal looks good compared to this: Aaron Wilson @aaronwilson_NFL Texans have finalized a three-year contract extension worth $22 million per year with Pro Bowl left tackle Laremy Tunsil, according to league sources. The deal includes $57 million guaranteed, which includes a $13 million signing bonus 2:43 PM · Apr 24, 2020·TweetDeckDoesn’t that hurt our chances for Trent? He might wanna get paid or Skins hold out for more value? I will say, it will be resolved by end of tonight. If we don’t have him we go OT in draft and Skins are out of luck. Its a game of chicken Well, it certainly doesn't help any potential contract extension negotiations if we do land him. At this point, I'm probably leaning more on the side of the fence that we don't land him and Washington just holds onto him until Training Camp where they'll hope some LT-needy team will trade then...Williams will then sit out again in 2020, possibly retire and everyone loses.... Perhaps the Vikes can hope to land a better LG prospect to put next to Reiff in 2020 in Day 2 tonight - maybe Robert Hunt or Jonah Jackson and at least the left side of our OL will potentially improve slightly...or maybe the Vikes actually try out Udoh at LG and he becomes a monster there...
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Post by Uncle on Apr 27, 2020 16:34:32 GMT -6
Chris Tomasson @christomasson Analyst Jason Fitzgerald estimates #Vikings will have about $8.5 million of salary-cap room when final NFL salary numbers set for draft picks. Fitzgerald had the Vikings with $12.267 million of cap room before the draft and said their picks will take up about $3.7 million of room The draft picks actually cost a bit less than I would have thought.
Potential for more space, IMO:
- The Vikes will probably try to work out an extension with Harris between now and July 15th; after that date if no deal is reached then Harris is $11m on his 2020 tagged number. An extension might reduce that number down in 2020.
- You could extend Reiff to reduce his 2020 number, although I'm not a fan of this because with Cleveland on board for 2021+, unless Reiff turns into some sort of above-avg LG, he's probably a cap casualty in the 2021 offseason, and if Cleveland is somehow ready early to take over the LT position during the 2020 season, Reiff might become trade bait to an OT needy team that could contend prior to the trade deadline (we wouldn't get much for him, but hey, it's something).
- Release of some DT players. This won't be much and probably won't happen until the coaching staff determines who wins the jobs (so not until they cut down the roster from 90 to 53 players after Wk 4 of preseason), but I can't see Shamar, Jaleel, Hercules, Lynch, Watts and Holmes all making the final roster. Quite honestly, Shamar doesn't do much at all and if designated a Post-June 1st release, we'll eat $2.4m of dead cap but we'll also save $2.6m, too. I'm not a fan of Holmes, either and designating him as a post-June 1st release saves $750k.
- You could extend Harrison Smith a bit and/or restructure him. He's on the next-to-last yr of his current deal and after 2020, all of his signing bonus is off the books so he wouldn't cost anything in dead cap to release him next offseason. Since he's still playing at a high level, you could do some conversion of salary/bonus to create a little space similar to what they did with Hunter.
I don't see much else in terms of creating space.
The one move that would eat into 2020 cap space is by extending Cook - his cap his is currently only $2m and although yes, he outplayed that contract in 2019 and is due an extension, any prorated signing bonus would definitely be higher than the $690k prorated signing bonus on the books for 2020 (ie, if he signs a $20m signing bonus for a 4 yr extension, then that's $5m spread across those 4 years which means $5m more in cap space eaten against 2020).
Why create cap space? Even though the Vikes restocked their CB depth in the 2020 draft, I still think a vet CB is needed in case Gladney/Dantzler aren't totally ready to start Wk 1 and maybe a hedge against Hughes not being 100% recovered (yeah, I know Zimmer said his progress is good, but he wasn't the same in 2019 when he came back from his ACL), and who knows if Hill and Boyd are ready for starting snaps, either. Also, with Seattle drafting Darnell Taylor in Rd 2 and Alton Robinson in Rd 5, it's not likely that Griffin will be headed there and perhaps he might want to come back to Minnesota as a 3T where he was used successfully in that New Orleans game (goodbye Shamar & Holmes). A rotation of Griffin, Watts and Lynch at that 3T position would be nice while Jaleel backs up Pierce (maybe Lynch, too as he's a good run defender).
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Post by Uncle on Apr 29, 2020 8:30:34 GMT -6
As predicted, you'll see some free agents being signed this week and next now that the Draft is over and no one signed going forward counts against the compensatory pick formula.
And the Cowboys added a CB to their roster today:
Cowboys signed CB Daryl Worley, formerly of the Raiders. The Cowboys are desperate for secondary help even after spending two top-125 picks on corners in the 2020 NFL Draft. Worley, 25, will be in line to compete for a starting job this summer and has something others in the corner group don't have -- experience. Worley has started 49 games across his four NFL seasons after being selected in the third round of the 2017 NFL Draft. Among 83 corner qualifiers, Worley ranked 46th in PFF's 2019 grades and allowed 9.0 yards per target. Apr 28, 2020, 6:34 PM ET
I still think the Viking should add 1 veteran CB to the young group. At this point, pretty much all of them should be relatively cheap (perhaps w/ the exception of Logan Ryan, but even he shouldn't break the bank). I still feel that Darqueze Dennard and Dre Kirkpatrick are the best fits - I know Dennard played primarily slot at Cincy but like Alexander he can play outside and Kirkpatrick is primarily a boundary CB. I would think that if a potential CB wants to land with a team in 2020 that can give him an opportunity to earn starting/significant snaps on a 1-yr deal, the Vikes should be that team - they have a very young and relatively inexperienced group with Hughes the veteran who's coming back from injury.
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Post by secondaryisprimary on Apr 29, 2020 12:00:40 GMT -6
I will push, for the best...get Logan, and who knows, maybe he actually forms a nice niche here, and stays awhile...you know, like Ewan McGregor's character did in "Big Fish", lol.
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Post by Norse on Apr 30, 2020 7:49:51 GMT -6
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Post by Uncle on Apr 30, 2020 9:12:59 GMT -6
Dalton will be a fine backup QB somewhere and can even manage an offense for a stretch of games if needed be. He's still a low-end starter and high-end backup which has value in the NFL and there's some decent money in that.
It all depends on Andy and if he's Ok w/ that, or if he wants to compete for a starting job.
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Post by Uncle on Apr 30, 2020 13:10:36 GMT -6
PFF ran an article yesterday where they tried to find the best fits for the remaining top free agents. For the Vikes? DT Mike Daniels - yes that Mike Daniels formerly of the Packers and Lions... linkDI MIKE DANIELS TO THE MINNESOTA VIKINGS Daniels fits into the mold of players on this list who have a strong history of production but are getting up there in age and coming off some injury concerns in recent seasons. After going from the Green Bay Packers to the Detroit Lions, I think it makes some sense for Daniels to stay in the NFC North, this time with Minnesota. The Vikings attacked the edge defender position in the draft, but they didn’t look inside on the defensive line, where they don’t really have a pass-rushing threat. If Daniels stays healthy, that’s something he could add. His 84.1 pass-rushing grade over the past five seasons ranks ninth among 136 interior defenders with 1,000 or more defensive snaps.I don't think the Vikings would do it considering Daniels doesn't really fit the mold of what the Vikings and Andre Patterson look for in their 3T position, mainly tall and long-armed guys. Shamar is 6'5", Armon Watts is 6'5", Jaleel Johnson is 6'3", Jalyn Holmes is 6'5"...Daniels is only 6'0" with short 32 1/2" arms...also, from a "fit / scheme" perspective I'm not sure he would fit, either - Green Bay primarily used a 3-4 in which he was the NT.... Still, if he come cheap enough on a 1-yr prove-it deal (he's been injured the last 2 years and he'll only be 31 entering the 2020 season, which is younger than Everson, so it's possible he takes a cheap deal in 2020 in hopes of cashing in again next offsesaon), I would definitely kick the tires and entertain the idea....Shamar and Holmes just don't do anything for me and if you can release Shamar (post June 1st) and release Holmes, you can use that money and probably just a little bit more and possibly get Daniels. I don't know how much of an improvement it would be over 2019, but any little bit of extra pressure up the middle we can get for low dollars is good to me...
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Post by secondaryisprimary on Apr 30, 2020 20:07:33 GMT -6
I like Watts...I say give him an ample chance.
I never was crazy about the Holmes pick...seemed that they always were stretching with him, and being a Buckeye and all...🤔
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