So who sees Sam's cap number staying at $18,000,000?

[Purp1eOne]

I think there is a good possibility something gets done there.

[Jayme96]

I think they leave it alone. They seem to be rolling with deals that only take up cap space for 1-2 years, so if you can afford Sam at 18 for now, why change it and extend that out if you don't have to? The only reason I'd see them want to reduce that cap number is if they wanted to re-sign him early instead of let him hit FA next year. Maybe they want to see if he can stay healthy and how he meshes with the current system and players first? Idk.

[Purp1eOne]

Mar 16, 2017 12:47:43 GMT -6 Jayme96 said:

how he meshes with the current system

Its Shurmur's guy so that shouldn't be an issue

[pumpf]

I think we'll probably re-sign him to a more cap-friendly deal. The problem with that (as everyone knows) is that that means he's "our guy" for the near future.
I'm actually OK with that. I definitely see him (with better pieces around him) as a top 15 QB- maybe even top 10. And, in this league, that's something.

[nodakviking]

Mar 16, 2017 13:13:56 GMT -6 pumpf said:

I think we'll probably re-sign him to a more cap-friendly deal. The problem with that (as everyone knows) is that that means he's "our guy" for the near future.
I'm actually OK with that. I definitely see him (with better pieces around him) as a top 15 QB- maybe even top 10. And, in this league, that's something.

Pass that around, I want what you're smoking. Top 10-15? Hopefully it would be a first for him Shurmur or not.

[Jayme96]

Mar 16, 2017 13:25:03 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

Mar 16, 2017 13:13:56 GMT -6 pumpf said:

I think we'll probably re-sign him to a more cap-friendly deal. The problem with that (as everyone knows) is that that means he's "our guy" for the near future.
I'm actually OK with that. I definitely see him (with better pieces around him) as a top 15 QB- maybe even top 10. And, in this league, that's something.

Pass that around, I want what you're smoking. Top 10-15? Hopefully it would be a first for him Shurmur or not.

He played like a top 10-15 QB last year, with garbage around him.  He was 6th in the entire NFL last year in QB Rate, which is the most important stat IMO, since it accounts for everything more than any other stat does.  Guys with ~200+ attempts:

Matt Ryan:  117.1
Head Cheatriot:  112.2
Dak Prescott:  104.9
Aaron Rodgers 104.2
Drew Brees 101.7
SAM BRADFORD 99.3
Brian Hoyer:  98.0
Kirk Cousins 97.2
Derek Carr 96.7
Andrew Luck 96.4
Marcus Mariota 95.6
Ben Roethlisberger 95.4
Ryan Tannehill 93.5
Matthew Stafford 93.3
Russell Wilson 92.6
Cody Kessler 92.3
Andy Dalton 91.8
Alex Smith 91.2
Colin Kaepernick 90.7
Tyrod Taylor 89.7
Phillip Rivers 87.9
Carson Palmer 87.2
Jameis Winston 86.1
Eli Manning 86.0
Trevor Siemian 84.6
Joe Flacc 83.5
Carson Wentz 79.3

[Purp1eOne]

[pumpf]

Mar 16, 2017 13:25:03 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

Mar 16, 2017 13:13:56 GMT -6 pumpf said:

I think we'll probably re-sign him to a more cap-friendly deal. The problem with that (as everyone knows) is that that means he's "our guy" for the near future.
I'm actually OK with that. I definitely see him (with better pieces around him) as a top 15 QB- maybe even top 10. And, in this league, that's something.

Pass that around, I want what you're smoking. Top 10-15? Hopefully it would be a first for him Shurmur or not.

Bradford was first in completion %... I know, I know: all he did was check down to RBs.  Yet, with all that in mind, he was still 15th in yards per game.  With our flaming pile of garbage offensive situation, he was still 15th in yards per game.  Imagine what he could do with a few more first downs and a few less sacks.
And considering how good he's always been at deeper passing, I don't think it's unrealistic to think that he could improve his yardage numbers, if he had a little bit longer to throw.

But, whatever... 

[nodakviking]

I'm not sure I buy into Sam as a deep passer when he historically has had one of the lowest YPA averages throughout his career. They only way to square those two things is if he is a boom or bust QB and I'm afraid that may be a better description. He had a good year last year all things considered but the completion percent and low INT's drove his high rating, it certainly wasn't his yardage and TD totals. His QBR, another metric was 59.0 which ranked him 17th which is about where he belongs IMO until he does more.

It was the best year of his career, I hope he can build on it but we will see and I prefer to see more before they extend that contract.

[Purp1eOne]

Mar 16, 2017 16:11:17 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

I'm not sure I buy into Sam as a deep passer when he historically has had one of the lowest YPA averages throughout his career. They only way to square those two things is if he is a boom or bust QB and I'm afraid that may be a better description. He had a good year last year all things considered but the completion percent and low INT's drove his high rating, it certainly wasn't his yardage and TD totals. His QBR, another metric was 59.0 which ranked him 17th which is about where he belongs IMO until he does more.

It was the best year of his career, I hope he can build on it but we will see and I prefer to see more before they extend that contract.

Dude we all saw his deep throws last year, he had no issues at all. That's not even debatable.

QBR is junk.

He has gotten better with age and will continue to.

I think it will be a very good year for Sam and there won't be any question who the QB of the future is even to TedHeads(you can say that on this board )

[nodakviking]

Mar 16, 2017 16:40:07 GMT -6 Purp1eOne said:

Mar 16, 2017 16:11:17 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

I'm not sure I buy into Sam as a deep passer when he historically has had one of the lowest YPA averages throughout his career. They only way to square those two things is if he is a boom or bust QB and I'm afraid that may be a better description. He had a good year last year all things considered but the completion percent and low INT's drove his high rating, it certainly wasn't his yardage and TD totals. His QBR, another metric was 59.0 which ranked him 17th which is about where he belongs IMO until he does more.

It was the best year of his career, I hope he can build on it but we will see and I prefer to see more before they extend that contract.

Dude we all saw his deep throws last year, he had no issues at all. That's not even debatable.

QBR is junk.

He has gotten better with age and will continue to.

I think it will be a very good year for Sam and there won't be any question who the QB of the future is even to TedHeads(you can say that on this board )

It's not about Teddy it's about locking into an average QB long term.

He made some nice deep throws yet had the lowest YPA in the league, what does that say?

QBR is no more junk than any other stat used to build or counter a debate. In fact it pretty accurately ranks the QBs so it can't be "junk".

[Purp1eOne]

Mar 16, 2017 17:05:20 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

It's not about Teddy it's about locking into an average QB long term.

You need to get over his early years..... players do develop as the gain experience and age

Mar 16, 2017 17:05:20 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

He made some nice deep throws yet had the lowest YPA in the league, what does that say?

He had more than "some nice deep throws" he was one of the best at it in the league and I have posted proof on deep throws and Sam on this board, I can repost it if need be.

Mar 16, 2017 17:05:20 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

QBR

I can post a lot of info showing how it is junk...... you can value it but I don't

[nodakviking]

I have an opinion, it's valid and I've posted my fair share of evidence to support my opinion. I'm not sure why it riles you up so much. Sam had a good year, not great, and it was the first good year he really had. I want to see him do it again and maybe have his first winning season.

I value QBR as much as any other stat/metric. Together they all paint a picture, and that picture is on a whole over 7 seasons Sam has been about average.

[Purp1eOne]

Mar 16, 2017 22:08:16 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

I have an opinion, it's valid and I've posted my fair share of evidence to support my opinion. I'm not sure why it riles you up so much. Sam had a good year, not great, and it was the first good year he really had. I want to see him do it again and maybe have his first winning season.

I value QBR as much as any other stat/metric. Together they all paint a picture, and that picture is on a whole over 7 seasons Sam has been about average.

Thats funny..... I have just the opposite take.  Someone had a different point of view stating that Sam could be a top 10-15 QB and you couldn't allow that to pass without chiming in and making this comment "Pass that around, I want what you're smoking".  Which if I go back and check thats probably 90% of what you do when it comes to Sam.  Can't let anything be said about him that is a positive without countering with something negative.

I just get amused at all the excuses you TedHeads come up trying to say Sam had a bad season or it was fluke.

I hope you have your excuses ready for this year and years to come.

[nodakviking]

Mar 17, 2017 6:51:58 GMT -6 Purp1eOne said:

Mar 16, 2017 22:08:16 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

I have an opinion, it's valid and I've posted my fair share of evidence to support my opinion. I'm not sure why it riles you up so much. Sam had a good year, not great, and it was the first good year he really had. I want to see him do it again and maybe have his first winning season.

I value QBR as much as any other stat/metric. Together they all paint a picture, and that picture is on a whole over 7 seasons Sam has been about average.

Thats funny..... I have just the opposite take.  Someone had a different point of view stating that Sam could be a top 10-15 QB and you couldn't allow that to pass without chiming in and making this comment "Pass that around, I want what you're smoking".  Which if I go back and check thats probably 90% of what you do when it comes to Sam.  Can't let anything be said about him that is a positive without countering with something negative.

I just get amused at all the excuses you TedHeads come up trying to say Sam had a bad season or it was fluke.

I hope you have your excuses ready for this year and years to come.

Yes we disagree.  He might be ranked 15th which is 'average' when there are 32 teams.  It was mentioned top 10 which is a stretch IMO-my smoking reference was tongue in cheek i.e. meant to be funny.  All I want is to let him do it some more this year before committing to him for any more time and money.  I've never said he sucks r had a bad year but IMO-to this point- he isn't worthy of 18mil per year going forward-which is what a top 10 QB likely gets.

It's not about 'Ted', its about getting roped into an over priced contract for an overrated(by many Viking fans) player.  I'm just asking for restraint until he backs it up with another good year or at least start to one.  When the season starts there will be much more clarity on his value.

I think it's an entirely reasonable position to take.  A question was asked and I gave my opinion.