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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 25, 2021 18:00:16 GMT -6
quandry for ya'll. Given the following statements are true: the vaccine is 95% effective. elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death. would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick? Absolutely. Healthcare professionals being vaccinated eliminates(certainly lowers) those people as the most likely to infect those elderly with Covid. If the vaccine proves to be more fatal than the virus for the elderly, then vaccinate ALL those around the elderly who have little or no choice of where to go or where to live.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 25, 2021 18:05:38 GMT -6
If I ran a nursing home, I would try and force my employees to get the shot. I have to think that pretty soon these nursing homes being a death sentence on those that live in them will hurt their bottom lines even more than they already are. it would be pretty simple, get the shot or get laid off until we see covid rates drop to where its not a big deal. some places the employees are jumping on board, others not so much. IMO this isnt so much about the govt mandating something for everybody, its about a business being able to dictate how they want to run their business. also, I have a sick elderly father who was so close to dying from covid we had put him into hospice when the doctors gave up, he made a turn for the better and is now in a home, but he is looking at months of rehab if he has any chance of every returning home, i sure as hell would rather have him not exposed again in a few months when his natural antibodies start to fail. given the choice I would absolutely send him to the place that mandated the shot. Think about this, do you really want businesses to start mandating you to live according to their health mandates? It won't stop at these homes, it will expand to other industries. You start forcing these people to get shots, and you may end up with a shortage of people willing to take the job. Group homes and care facilities already struggle to not only have people, but good people. This will limit the pool of workers even further. Just something to consider. My wife works for a group home and you wouldn't believe the stories....... Why stop at nursing homes? If a person has a weak immunity or is a senior who still works, wouldn't they have a right as well to demand their coworkers get a vaccine? I get your fears, but those people who work in that home also have a right to what goes into their bodies. You can't show up to work drunk at most jobs. So where do you draw the line with that?
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 25, 2021 19:03:05 GMT -6
Think about this, do you really want businesses to start mandating you to live according to their health mandates? It won't stop at these homes, it will expand to other industries. You start forcing these people to get shots, and you may end up with a shortage of people willing to take the job. Group homes and care facilities already struggle to not only have people, but good people. This will limit the pool of workers even further. Just something to consider. My wife works for a group home and you wouldn't believe the stories....... Why stop at nursing homes? If a person has a weak immunity or is a senior who still works, wouldn't they have a right as well to demand their coworkers get a vaccine? I get your fears, but those people who work in that home also have a right to what goes into their bodies. You can't show up to work drunk at most jobs. So where do you draw the line with that? What is it with you libs equating everything covid to intoxication? Second time today I've heard that(not here). That's not remotely the same. Drink too much and you are guaranteed to be drunk. There is no gurantee a person will get covid or transmit it. If we're going to allow this then we would have to allow employers mandating their employees use birth control so they don't miss work or inconvenience their coworkers. We don't want kids growing up in poverty because that could kill them, do we force sterilization on people?
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 25, 2021 19:21:05 GMT -6
You can't show up to work drunk at most jobs. So where do you draw the line with that? What is it with you libs equating everything covid to intoxication? Second time today I've heard that(not here). That's not remotely the same. Drink too much and you are guaranteed to be drunk. There is no gurantee a person will get covid or transmit it. If we're going to allow this then we would have to allow employers mandating their employees use birth control so they don't miss work or inconvenience their coworkers. We don't want kids growing up in poverty because that could kill them, do we force sterilization on people? Settle down. Forget about alcohol and drugs. Should we quit vaccinations for school as well? Polio was fun.
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holmanjp
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Post by holmanjp on Jan 25, 2021 19:46:57 GMT -6
What is it with you libs equating everything covid to intoxication? Second time today I've heard that(not here). That's not remotely the same. Drink too much and you are guaranteed to be drunk. There is no gurantee a person will get covid or transmit it. If we're going to allow this then we would have to allow employers mandating their employees use birth control so they don't miss work or inconvenience their coworkers. We don't want kids growing up in poverty because that could kill them, do we force sterilization on people? Settle down. Forget about alcohol and drugs. Should we quit vaccinations for school as well? Polio was fun. That's funny, comparing The China Cold to Polio If 2020 was not an election year to get Trump out of office, china cold would have passed just like swine flu.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 25, 2021 19:52:40 GMT -6
Settle down. Forget about alcohol and drugs. Should we quit vaccinations for school as well? Polio was fun. That's funny, comparing The China Cold to Polio If 2020 was not an election year to get Trump out of office, china cold would have passed just like swine flu. That's funny, comparing The China Cold to Polio What is your point? How severe does it have to be to affect YOU? Isn't the damage done to the world's economy alone enough to say we need resolution? Or would you prefer continue on with this "cold"?
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 25, 2021 20:01:21 GMT -6
What is it with you libs equating everything covid to intoxication? Second time today I've heard that(not here). That's not remotely the same. Drink too much and you are guaranteed to be drunk. There is no gurantee a person will get covid or transmit it. If we're going to allow this then we would have to allow employers mandating their employees use birth control so they don't miss work or inconvenience their coworkers. We don't want kids growing up in poverty because that could kill them, do we force sterilization on people? Settle down. Forget about alcohol and drugs. Should we quit vaccinations for school as well? Polio was fun. Polio was more harmful and not used as a political weapon. Did polio have adverse effects on less than one percent of the infected? That said, I'm not sure if I agree with that either. My kids are all up to date but I'm not entirely sure if we should force people to get them. Really odd some dem governorsand mayors are loosening up the covid restrictions after the election though. Weird.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 25, 2021 20:03:24 GMT -6
That's funny, comparing The China Cold to Polio If 2020 was not an election year to get Trump out of office, china cold would have passed just like swine flu. That's funny, comparing The China Cold to Polio What is your point? How severe does it have to be to affect YOU? Isn't the damage done to the world's economy alone enough to say we need resolution? Or would you prefer continue on with this "cold"? Damage done to the economy wasn't due to the China flu, it was due to governments overreaching and over reacting to a manufactured virus.
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holmanjp
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Post by holmanjp on Jan 25, 2021 20:10:56 GMT -6
That's funny, comparing The China Cold to Polio If 2020 was not an election year to get Trump out of office, china cold would have passed just like swine flu. That's funny, comparing The China Cold to Polio What is your point? How severe does it have to be to affect YOU? Isn't the damage done to the world's economy alone enough to say we need resolution? Or would you prefer continue on with this "cold"? Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic Just a couple examples of why they don't give a shit about us. China Flu is political nothing more. 99% plus survival rate. Need to get tested to know if you have it. If you do get a false positive or maybe even a true positive test. You are sent home for 2 weeks to wait it out. While people do this, many times no other family members show systems or get it. Numerous reports of deaths from other causes listed as CV19. When you have to inflate the numbers, it's political or for profit. CV19 Falls into both. Need to jam a swab into your brain to get tested, yet walking around without a mask will infect everyone in sight. Lets talk again when CV is as bad as Polio was.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jan 26, 2021 5:44:46 GMT -6
What is your point? How severe does it have to be to affect YOU? Isn't the damage done to the world's economy alone enough to say we need resolution? Or would you prefer continue on with this "cold"? Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic Just a couple examples of why they don't give a shit about us. China Flu is political nothing more. 99% plus survival rate. Need to get tested to know if you have it. If you do get a false positive or maybe even a true positive test. You are sent home for 2 weeks to wait it out. While people do this, many times no other family members show systems or get it. Numerous reports of deaths from other causes listed as CV19. When you have to inflate the numbers, it's political or for profit. CV19 Falls into both. Need to jam a swab into your brain to get tested, yet walking around without a mask will infect everyone in sight. Lets talk again when CV is as bad as Polio was. Lets talk again when CV is as bad as Polio was. This is the kind of bologna I am talking about. Why should we wait until you are satisfied that it is bad enough? Less than 10% of our population has gotten this and at current rates over 5 million people will die if everyone gets it. Is that enough death for you? Don't get vaccinated if you don't want to. But quit telling other people to keep smoking.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jan 26, 2021 10:50:35 GMT -6
Cigarette smoking is responsible for more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States 300,000 deaths per year are due to the obesity epidemic Just a couple examples of why they don't give a shit about us. China Flu is political nothing more. 99% plus survival rate. Need to get tested to know if you have it. If you do get a false positive or maybe even a true positive test. You are sent home for 2 weeks to wait it out. While people do this, many times no other family members show systems or get it. Numerous reports of deaths from other causes listed as CV19. When you have to inflate the numbers, it's political or for profit. CV19 Falls into both. Need to jam a swab into your brain to get tested, yet walking around without a mask will infect everyone in sight. Lets talk again when CV is as bad as Polio was. Lets talk again when CV is as bad as Polio was. This is the kind of bologna I am talking about. Why should we wait until you are satisfied that it is bad enough? Less than 10% of our population has gotten this and at current rates over 5 million people will die if everyone gets it. Is that enough death for you? Don't get vaccinated if you don't want to. But quit telling other people to keep smoking. "Don't get vaccinated if you don't want to." You forgot to add "But if you don't we will make sure you lose your job and make you toxic to future employers. We will label you as an inconsiderate person and hound you wherever you go." You liberals act just like the soviets did towards religion. They didn't outlaw it, but if you practiced it your life was made miserable. You could strike the Soviet Union out of there and put American Liberal. Please stop saying people have a right to this or that when you know that you along with your other liberal wannabe tyrants will not stand for people to thinking or acting differently than what your dogma allows.
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holmanjp
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Post by holmanjp on Jan 26, 2021 11:55:55 GMT -6
With the news that baseball legend Hank Aaron received the experimental Moderna mRNA injection about 2 weeks before his death at the age of 86, people are naturally inquiring as to whether long-time talk show host Larry King, who just died at the age of 87, also received one of the non-FDA approved experimental COVID mRNA shots? Larry King had reportedly been in the hospital due to the fact that he had tested positive for COVID19. Reporter Dave Jordan (@djnyc1), a friend of Larry King’s son, Larry King Jr., tweeted on January 15, 2021: I just wrapped an interview with my friend Larry King Jr. He tells me his dad @kingsthings is expected to fully recover from #Covid19 & will receive the vaccine before he is released from the hospital So if he was still in the hospital on January 20, 2021 and “on the road to recovery” and set to be released in the “next couple of days,” but was also scheduled to “receive the vaccine before he is released from the hospital,” is it not a legitimate question to ask if he did indeed receive one of the experimental COVID mRNA injections?
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Post by OkieDokie on Jan 26, 2021 12:00:33 GMT -6
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Post by holmanjp on Jan 26, 2021 12:04:20 GMT -6
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Post by holmanjp on Jan 26, 2021 12:10:46 GMT -6
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