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Post by Purp1eOne on Jul 6, 2020 9:45:02 GMT -6
Why don't you just say what evidence would change your mind. Is there any? While you ponder that you can read this, it mentions antifa 42 times, has a catchy title and while it mixes in their usual drivel its not generally considered a right wing source of information. If this doesn't do it there are plenty of videos of people actually admitting to being members. Even professors just search Klinzman Antifa and Iowa. Enjoy..... Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement By Sara Ganim and Chris Welch, CNNMany of those arrested identified themselves as part of the Antifa movement. Its name derives from "anti-fascist," and it has come to represent what experts who track these organizations call the "hard left" -- an ideology that runs afield lockstep of the Democratic Party platform and supports oppressed populations as it protests the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites. link |
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Post by Purplemachine on Jul 6, 2020 11:54:35 GMT -6
Really. That is the best response you have........OK. What more do I need? I have given as much evidence as any scare monger here. Tweet twits are not evidence, just one twits opinion. Watching the news outside your comfort zone. I suppose all the rioting, looting, and general lawlessness is ALL fake news. |
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 6, 2020 20:33:39 GMT -6
You seem scared. It must be working. Yes, I'm worried about the future of my country because people like you are tearing it down. Just remember, you don't win in the end either because they always come for the useful idiots after they've served their purpose. because people like you are tearing it down. People like me? You mean hard working, tax paying citizens who don't break the law? Those people? Mortgage paying, bill paying, helping my brother out however they can people. People that spend every free minute they can with family and friends. People that take every OT shift offered to them, not because they need the money, but because they want to help their boss out who has a terrible job managing many terrible people. People that value work, honesty, integrity, fortitude, honor, values. Are those the people you are talking about? Because that is the person I am, through and through. I have never rioted, vandalized, assaulted, desecrated, damaged or even protested. But somehow in your world I am just as guilty as those that do. Since we are talking about types of people, let's talk a little bit about people like you. People that are taught to fear and hate. People that lump all those that may disagree with you on certain things into the worst subset of that group. People that don't think beyond their 5 minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters to see the larger peaceful protest group or, God forbid, consider for even just one second what they are protesting for. 'Nope, I just hate them or fear them so their cause is shit, their methods are shit, their best are shit, their worst are shit, and they are shit." I disagree with nearly every conservative doctrine other than abortion and taxes. But I do not think, even in the slightest, that all conservatives are scum and are out to ruin this country and destroy my way of life. Believe it or not I believe I need you to keep me in check just a little bit so as not to go completely over the liberal edge. I love you my brother. And the older I get, the more I love my brother and the more kinds of brothers I am capable of loving. Pretty liberating feeling really. In summary, think outside your tiny little box just once. Instead of feverish anger over a supposed Antifa thug slapping some dipshit hate monger over the head with a chain, just stop. Just stop and try to consider what might be in the Antifa guys head. Just think what might have been said to provoke such a response. Just think what might have had to been experienced to elicit such an action. Just think............just a little. People like you are not ruining this country. The shit you are being sold to fear and hate are what is ruining this country and as long as they can continue to keep us fighting, the longer they can control us and keep stealing from us all.They give us enough not to rise up and destroy them, but not enough to not need them. Just think. |
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 6, 2020 20:38:17 GMT -6
Yes, I'm worried about the future of my country because people like you are tearing it down. Just remember, you don't win in the end either because they always come for the useful idiots after they've served their purpose. because people like you are tearing it down. People like me? You mean hard working, tax paying citizens who don't break the law? Those people? Mortgage paying, bill paying, helping my brother out however they can people. People that spend every free minute they can with family and friends. People that take every OT shift offered to them, not because they need the money, but because they want to help their boss out who has a terrible job managing many terrible people. People that value work, honesty, integrity, fortitude, honor, values. Are those the people you are talking about? Because that is the person I am, through and through. I have never rioted, vandalized, assaulted, desecrated, damaged or even protested. But somehow in your world I am just as guilty as those that do. Since we are talking about types of people, let's talk a little bit about people like you. People that are taught to fear and hate. People that lump all those that may disagree with you on certain things into the worst subset of that group. People that don't think beyond their 5 minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters to see the larger peaceful protest group or, God forbid, consider for even just one second what they are protesting for. 'Nope, I just hate them or fear them so their cause is shit, their methods are shit, their best are shit, their worst are shit, and they are shit." I disagree with nearly every conservative doctrine other than abortion and taxes. But I do not think, even in the slightest, that all conservatives are scum and are out to ruin this country and destroy my way of life. Believe it or not I believe I need you to keep me in check just a little bit so as not to go completely over the liberal edge. I love you my brother. And the older I get, the more I love my brother and the more kinds of brothers I am capable of loving. Pretty liberating feeling really. In summary, think outside your tiny little box just once. Instead of feverish anger over a supposed Antifa thug slapping some dipshit hate monger over the head with a chain, just stop. Just stop and try to consider what might be in the Antifa guys head. Just think what might have been said to provoke such a response. Just think what might have had to been experienced to elicit such an action. Just think............just a little. People like you are not ruining this country. The shit you are being sold to fear and hate are what is ruining this country and as long as they can continue to keep us fighting, the longer they can control us and keep stealing from. Give us enough not to rise up and destroy them, but not enough to not need them. Just think. When you vote D and put these people in power you are part of the problem. Me, I’d love to vote out some Pub cowards but the Dem choices are so far left it makes an easy choice. We need a new middle party but it will never happen. |
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 6, 2020 20:41:50 GMT -6
What more do I need? I have given as much evidence as any scare monger here. Tweet twits are not evidence, just one twits opinion. Watching the news outside your comfort zone. I suppose all the rioting, looting, and general lawlessness is ALL fake news. Come on machine. I know you are smarter than this. I saw the news, but probably much different news than you. You probably mostly saw riots and looting. I probably saw mostly peaceful protest and snippets of violence and crime. You and I both know the truth is somewhere in the middle. If anitfa is actually real and they only rise up to attack during events like this, I don't think you have anything to really fear. If they were a real threat, wouldn't this shit be happening almost all the time? Don't think and act on fear and hatred. We all have to be smarter than the forces trying to divide us. |
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 6, 2020 20:55:25 GMT -6
Watching the news outside your comfort zone. I suppose all the rioting, looting, and general lawlessness is ALL fake news. Come on machine. I know you are smarter than this. I saw the news, but probably much different news than you. You probably mostly saw riots and looting. I probably saw mostly peaceful protest and snippets of violence and crime. You and I both know the truth is somewhere in the middle. If anitfa is actually real and they only rise up to attack during events like this, I don't think you have anything to really fear. If they were a real threat, wouldn't this shit be happening almost all the time? Don't think and act on fear and hatred. We all have to be smarter than the forces trying to divide us. Your reply shows how out of touch you are. You must watch MSM, figures. |
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 6, 2020 21:00:44 GMT -6
Come on machine. I know you are smarter than this. I saw the news, but probably much different news than you. You probably mostly saw riots and looting. I probably saw mostly peaceful protest and snippets of violence and crime. You and I both know the truth is somewhere in the middle. If anitfa is actually real and they only rise up to attack during events like this, I don't think you have anything to really fear. If they were a real threat, wouldn't this shit be happening almost all the time? Don't think and act on fear and hatred. We all have to be smarter than the forces trying to divide us. Your reply shows how out of touch you are. You must watch MSM, figures. Yeah. Because tweets are the pulse. You are a genius with how in touch you are. Continue with your fear and hate, but feel free not to include me in it. If you feel like it. Are you a Russian Bot? |
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 6, 2020 21:05:08 GMT -6
People like me? You mean hard working, tax paying citizens who don't break the law? Those people? Mortgage paying, bill paying, helping my brother out however they can people. People that spend every free minute they can with family and friends. People that take every OT shift offered to them, not because they need the money, but because they want to help their boss out who has a terrible job managing many terrible people. People that value work, honesty, integrity, fortitude, honor, values. Are those the people you are talking about? Because that is the person I am, through and through. I have never rioted, vandalized, assaulted, desecrated, damaged or even protested. But somehow in your world I am just as guilty as those that do. Since we are talking about types of people, let's talk a little bit about people like you. People that are taught to fear and hate. People that lump all those that may disagree with you on certain things into the worst subset of that group. People that don't think beyond their 5 minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters to see the larger peaceful protest group or, God forbid, consider for even just one second what they are protesting for. 'Nope, I just hate them or fear them so their cause is shit, their methods are shit, their best are shit, their worst are shit, and they are shit." I disagree with nearly every conservative doctrine other than abortion and taxes. But I do not think, even in the slightest, that all conservatives are scum and are out to ruin this country and destroy my way of life. Believe it or not I believe I need you to keep me in check just a little bit so as not to go completely over the liberal edge. I love you my brother. And the older I get, the more I love my brother and the more kinds of brothers I am capable of loving. Pretty liberating feeling really. In summary, think outside your tiny little box just once. Instead of feverish anger over a supposed Antifa thug slapping some dipshit hate monger over the head with a chain, just stop. Just stop and try to consider what might be in the Antifa guys head. Just think what might have been said to provoke such a response. Just think what might have had to been experienced to elicit such an action. Just think............just a little. People like you are not ruining this country. The shit you are being sold to fear and hate are what is ruining this country and as long as they can continue to keep us fighting, the longer they can control us and keep stealing from. Give us enough not to rise up and destroy them, but not enough to not need them. Just think. When you vote D and put these people in power you are part of the problem. Me, I’d love to vote out some Pub cowards but the Dem choices are so far left it makes an easy choice. We need a new middle party but it will never happen. Me, I’d love to vote out some Pub cowards but the Dem choices are so far left it makes an easy choice. Isn't there some dead, ex POW, senator you could be attacking? Oh right, you just worship at a certain alter and desecrate all that deviate, no matter their history. What chance do I have? |
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Post by Purplemachine on Jul 6, 2020 21:13:16 GMT -6
Watching the news outside your comfort zone. I suppose all the rioting, looting, and general lawlessness is ALL fake news. Come on machine. I know you are smarter than this. I saw the news, but probably much different news than you. You probably mostly saw riots and looting. I probably saw mostly peaceful protest and snippets of violence and crime. You and I both know the truth is somewhere in the middle. If anitfa is actually real and they only rise up to attack during events like this, I don't think you have anything to really fear. If they were a real threat, wouldn't this shit be happening almost all the time? Don't think and act on fear and hatred. We all have to be smarter than the forces trying to divide us. Kramer, I don't think anyone is against truly peaceful protests, but I think a certain element infiltrated the these basic protests and these were the troublemakers that caused the damage along with rioting and looting. But there is real damage done in certain cities that you can't deny otherwise the governor of Minnesota wouldn't be asking the feds for $500 million to repair the damage done. I don't doubt there are people out there trying to divide us by race, religion, etc. those that we sometimes call the deep state. |
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 6, 2020 21:31:27 GMT -6
Why don't you just say what evidence would change your mind. Is there any? While you ponder that you can read this, it mentions antifa 42 times, has a catchy title and while it mixes in their usual drivel its not generally considered a right wing source of information. If this doesn't do it there are plenty of videos of people actually admitting to being members. Even professors just search Klinzman Antifa and Iowa. Enjoy..... Unmasking the leftist Antifa movement By Sara Ganim and Chris Welch, CNNMany of those arrested identified themselves as part of the Antifa movement. Its name derives from "anti-fascist," and it has come to represent what experts who track these organizations call the "hard left" -- an ideology that runs afield lockstep of the Democratic Party platform and supports oppressed populations as it protests the amassing of wealth by corporations and elites. linkWhy don't you just say what evidence would change your mind. Is there any? Well this certainly is not the evidence I would need. There are certainly some concerning views expressed in that article and some I do not agree with in any way shape or form. But fighting neo-Nazis and skin heads does not bother me in the least. "Before J20 (January 20, Inauguration Day) happened I was convinced I'd go to NASA or some university to research," Bhatt said. Now facing a criminal record, "I don't know," he said. "My efforts might be better suited by an organization that helps communities." "There are people who were energized by Bernie (Sanders) that now are anarchists," said an organizer of the website It's Going Down, a newsblog for Antifa. "People are freaked out by a Trump regime, freaked out by the far-right. A lot of people saw neo-Nazi symbols. There's a reason why people are becoming polarized. It's real-life stuff that's happening." Young people fighting injustice and hatred is not scary to me. Your cited article to me appears to support my view that Antifa is not a real threat, at least not an organized wave of a movement that should inspire fear in you or anybody else not at a alt right rally. |
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 6, 2020 21:38:44 GMT -6
Come on machine. I know you are smarter than this. I saw the news, but probably much different news than you. You probably mostly saw riots and looting. I probably saw mostly peaceful protest and snippets of violence and crime. You and I both know the truth is somewhere in the middle. If anitfa is actually real and they only rise up to attack during events like this, I don't think you have anything to really fear. If they were a real threat, wouldn't this shit be happening almost all the time? Don't think and act on fear and hatred. We all have to be smarter than the forces trying to divide us. Kramer, I don't think anyone is against truly peaceful protests, but I think a certain element infiltrated the these basic protests and these were the troublemakers that caused the damage along with rioting and looting. But there is real damage done in certain cities that you can't deny otherwise the governor of Minnesota wouldn't be asking the feds for $500 million to repair the damage done. I don't doubt there are people out there trying to divide us by race, religion, etc. those that we sometimes call the deep state. No doubt there were bad actors and what happened is disruptive and bad. But Antifa is just not a real, organized terrorist group any more than alt right, neo Nazi, skin head groups are. Antifa is fringe at best, yet you all fear for your lives and the survival of our country and our very existence. Seems a bit over cooked to me. Don't get me started on the deep state. You all elected the man who said he could "drain the swamp" and rid us of this supposed deep state so don't come crying to me if he can't do it. Seems to me if he was so great, as he says he is all the time, he would have eliminated that bullshit by now. Nice for him to have such a convenient excuse he can fall back on all times that he fails though. We only have Hillary to blame. |
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Post by Movikx on Jul 7, 2020 8:16:30 GMT -6
Kramer, I don't think anyone is against truly peaceful protests, but I think a certain element infiltrated the these basic protests and these were the troublemakers that caused the damage along with rioting and looting. But there is real damage done in certain cities that you can't deny otherwise the governor of Minnesota wouldn't be asking the feds for $500 million to repair the damage done. I don't doubt there are people out there trying to divide us by race, religion, etc. those that we sometimes call the deep state. No doubt there were bad actors and what happened is disruptive and bad. But Antifa is just not a real, organized terrorist group any more than alt right, neo Nazi, skin head groups are. Antifa is fringe at best, yet you all fear for your lives and the survival of our country and our very existence. Seems a bit over cooked to me. Don't get me started on the deep state. You all elected the man who said he could "drain the swamp" and rid us of this supposed deep state so don't come crying to me if he can't do it. Seems to me if he was so great, as he says he is all the time, he would have eliminated that bullshit by now. Nice for him to have such a convenient excuse he can fall back on all times that he fails though. We only have Hillary to blame. Regardless of how well organized groups like Antifa are, we’ve watched the Dems pander to them and incorporate their demands into their platform. That should scare the hell out of not just pubs but blue dog democrats such as yourself. |
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 7, 2020 8:31:07 GMT -6
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Post by angryguy77 on Jul 7, 2020 10:17:04 GMT -6
Yes, I'm worried about the future of my country because people like you are tearing it down. Just remember, you don't win in the end either because they always come for the useful idiots after they've served their purpose. because people like you are tearing it down. People like me? You mean hard working, tax paying citizens who don't break the law? Those people? Mortgage paying, bill paying, helping my brother out however they can people. People that spend every free minute they can with family and friends. People that take every OT shift offered to them, not because they need the money, but because they want to help their boss out who has a terrible job managing many terrible people. People that value work, honesty, integrity, fortitude, honor, values. Are those the people you are talking about? Because that is the person I am, through and through. I have never rioted, vandalized, assaulted, desecrated, damaged or even protested. But somehow in your world I am just as guilty as those that do. Since we are talking about types of people, let's talk a little bit about people like you. People that are taught to fear and hate. People that lump all those that may disagree with you on certain things into the worst subset of that group. People that don't think beyond their 5 minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters to see the larger peaceful protest group or, God forbid, consider for even just one second what they are protesting for. 'Nope, I just hate them or fear them so their cause is shit, their methods are shit, their best are shit, their worst are shit, and they are shit." I disagree with nearly every conservative doctrine other than abortion and taxes. But I do not think, even in the slightest, that all conservatives are scum and are out to ruin this country and destroy my way of life. Believe it or not I believe I need you to keep me in check just a little bit so as not to go completely over the liberal edge. I love you my brother. And the older I get, the more I love my brother and the more kinds of brothers I am capable of loving. Pretty liberating feeling really. In summary, think outside your tiny little box just once. Instead of feverish anger over a supposed Antifa thug slapping some dipshit hate monger over the head with a chain, just stop. Just stop and try to consider what might be in the Antifa guys head. Just think what might have been said to provoke such a response. Just think what might have had to been experienced to elicit such an action. Just think............just a little. People like you are not ruining this country. The shit you are being sold to fear and hate are what is ruining this country and as long as they can continue to keep us fighting, the longer they can control us and keep stealing from us all.They give us enough not to rise up and destroy them, but not enough to not need them. Just think. " minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters"
Just like "some people did some things on 9/11" right? This my friend is exactly why I made a generalization. For years you've done nothing on this site but play the "nothing to see here" game while insinuating that all of us are nothing but a bunch of conspiracy theory kooks. Fox is a joke(which it is mostly except for a few people) while the MSM is trustworthy we are told. I've told you there is a slippery slope and you refuse to acknowledge it could be a thing. Well just 2 years ago those on the left mocked Trump for saying they'll come for Washington and Jefferson next......now we hear Mt. Rushmore needs a dose of TNT.
It's implied from you in previous discussions that our nation will continue being the power it is despite families falling apart and the youth wanting to change to a system of economics that doesn't lead to prosperity. I've been telling you for as long as I've been here that the nation cannot survive if the decay isn't stopped. History has shown this time and time again. America is special, but it isn't so special that it is impervious to destruction from within.
The decay won't be stopped with more gov or social justice. It won't stop with more socialism, higher taxes for the rich, abortions on demand, AA hires, or a rainbow flag planted in every yard. It will only stop if we can raise a generation of kids that don't want to rip everything down and start over, but instead love the country despite it's flaws while working for a better tomorrow.
I'm honestly tired of being told people like myself are driven by hate and fear when it has been the left teaching kids for decades that this country is no good due to its founding on racism and slavery. Who is telling blacks they want to put them back in chains? Who is telling women they will lose their rights if "x" conservative is elected? Who is telling moms their kids will drink dirty water and breath polluted air if a republican is elected? Who is it that is telling gays they'll basically be hunted if democrats go away? The politicians of the left thrive on fear and division. I challenge you to really listen to the rhetoric of the DNC. I find it ironic that you would say those things is what motivates me. I'm not driven by either of those things, I'm driven by the love of my country. BTW, I'm not saying the GoP is some perfect party(I'm not a member) or that even those in it have our best interests at heart. I only bring up parties because the extreme left has taken over the party and have used it to further their radical agenda. I agree with you that there are those that want to keep us divided. You are absolutely correct on that.
Take a look around, do you think these kids who are tearing down monuments of abolitionists and founding fathers were taught to have such disdain for this country from conservative teachers, or they learned it from Barry Goldwater? Did they learn it because they were given vouchers to a catholic school? No, they learned it from leftists!
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. The left controls every single part of our culture. The colleges, k-12 schools, entertainment, tech industry......every single one of them either teaches leftism, or reinforces it with bully tactics. I'm not telling you to convert, but just understand that we are reaping the fruits of decades of liberalism. The differences between the left and right go way beyond disagreements on tax rates and national security. The differences and divide now contain whether or not the US deserves to exist given its past.
The dem party and liberals are not those who elected JFK, they have been radicalized. It's come to the point where people are losing jobs if they don't show support for BLM. YEt while the left purges those who don't agree, they continue to accuse people like be of being a fascist. Is this the kind of liberalism you support? I don't think you do, I don't think you're a bad person at heart. I'm sure you just want to raise your family and be a good dude like the rest of us. I sincerely do not hate you or wish ill on you. I don't think your avg liberal is all for this either, but I also to be quite frank, don't believe the avg liberal pays enough attention to know what has happened to their party.
Rome is burning, for once can you understand why many of us on the right are alarmed? It's fine to have a different PoV, it's fine to not agree 100% or vote for the same people. However, if you can't see that many in the dem party and on the left do not share the views of the party from decades ago, then what will convince you?
Sorry for the book, but I'll leave this with you:
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Post by SmokedPears on Jul 7, 2020 10:32:52 GMT -6
People like me? You mean hard working, tax paying citizens who don't break the law? Those people? Mortgage paying, bill paying, helping my brother out however they can people. People that spend every free minute they can with family and friends. People that take every OT shift offered to them, not because they need the money, but because they want to help their boss out who has a terrible job managing many terrible people. People that value work, honesty, integrity, fortitude, honor, values. Are those the people you are talking about? Because that is the person I am, through and through. I have never rioted, vandalized, assaulted, desecrated, damaged or even protested. But somehow in your world I am just as guilty as those that do. Since we are talking about types of people, let's talk a little bit about people like you. People that are taught to fear and hate. People that lump all those that may disagree with you on certain things into the worst subset of that group. People that don't think beyond their 5 minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters to see the larger peaceful protest group or, God forbid, consider for even just one second what they are protesting for. 'Nope, I just hate them or fear them so their cause is shit, their methods are shit, their best are shit, their worst are shit, and they are shit." I disagree with nearly every conservative doctrine other than abortion and taxes. But I do not think, even in the slightest, that all conservatives are scum and are out to ruin this country and destroy my way of life. Believe it or not I believe I need you to keep me in check just a little bit so as not to go completely over the liberal edge. I love you my brother. And the older I get, the more I love my brother and the more kinds of brothers I am capable of loving. Pretty liberating feeling really. In summary, think outside your tiny little box just once. Instead of feverish anger over a supposed Antifa thug slapping some dipshit hate monger over the head with a chain, just stop. Just stop and try to consider what might be in the Antifa guys head. Just think what might have been said to provoke such a response. Just think what might have had to been experienced to elicit such an action. Just think............just a little. People like you are not ruining this country. The shit you are being sold to fear and hate are what is ruining this country and as long as they can continue to keep us fighting, the longer they can control us and keep stealing from us all.They give us enough not to rise up and destroy them, but not enough to not need them. Just think. " minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters"
Just like "some people did some things on 9/11" right? This my friend is exactly why I made a generalization. For years you've done nothing on this site but play the "nothing to see here" game while insinuating that all of us are nothing but a bunch of conspiracy theory kooks. Fox is a joke(which it is mostly except for a few people) while the MSM is trustworthy we are told. I've told you there is a slippery slope and you refuse to acknowledge it could be a thing. Well just 2 years ago those on the left mocked Trump for saying they'll come for Washington and Jefferson next......now we hear Mt. Rushmore needs a dose of TNT.
It's implied from you in previous discussions that our nation will continue being the power it is despite families falling apart and the youth wanting to change to a system of economics that doesn't lead to prosperity. I've been telling you for as long as I've been here that the nation cannot survive if the decay isn't stopped. History has shown this time and time again. America is special, but it isn't so special that it is impervious to destruction from within.
The decay won't be stopped with more gov or social justice. It won't stop with more socialism, higher taxes for the rich, abortions on demand, AA hires, or a rainbow flag planted in every yard. It will only stop if we can raise a generation of kids that don't want to rip everything down and start over, but instead love the country despite it's flaws while working for a better tomorrow.
I'm honestly tired of being told people like myself are driven by hate and fear when it has been the left teaching kids for decades that this country is no good due to its founding on racism and slavery. Who is telling blacks they want to put them back in chains? Who is telling women they will lose their rights if "x" conservative is elected? Who is telling moms their kids will drink dirty water and breath polluted air if a republican is elected? Who is it that is telling gays they'll basically be hunted if democrats go away? The politicians of the left thrive on fear and division. I challenge you to really listen to the rhetoric of the DNC. I find it ironic that you would say those things is what motivates me. I'm not driven by either of those things, I'm driven by the love of my country. BTW, I'm not saying the GoP is some perfect party(I'm not a member) or that even those in it have our best interests at heart. I only bring up parties because the extreme left has taken over the party and have used it to further their radical agenda. I agree with you that there are those that want to keep us divided. You are absolutely correct on that.
Take a look around, do you think these kids who are tearing down monuments of abolitionists and founding fathers were taught to have such disdain for this country from conservative teachers, or they learned it from Barry Goldwater? Did they learn it because they were given vouchers to a catholic school? No, they learned it from leftists!
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. The left controls every single part of our culture. The colleges, k-12 schools, entertainment, tech industry......every single one of them either teaches leftism, or reinforces it with bully tactics. I'm not telling you to convert, but just understand that we are reaping the fruits of decades of liberalism. The differences between the left and right go way beyond disagreements on tax rates and national security. The differences and divide now contain whether or not the US deserves to exist given its past.
The dem party and liberals are not those who elected JFK, they have been radicalized. It's come to the point where people are losing jobs if they don't show support for BLM. YEt while the left purges those who don't agree, they continue to accuse people like be of being a fascist. Is this the kind of liberalism you support? I don't think you do, I don't think you're a bad person at heart. I'm sure you just want to raise your family and be a good dude like the rest of us. I sincerely do not hate you or wish ill on you. I don't think your avg liberal is all for this either, but I also to be quite frank, don't believe the avg liberal pays enough attention to know what has happened to their party.
Rome is burning, for once can you understand why many of us on the right are alarmed? It's fine to have a different PoV, it's fine to not agree 100% or vote for the same people. However, if you can't see that many in the dem party and on the left do not share the views of the party from decades ago, then what will convince you?
Sorry for the book, but I'll leave this with you:
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