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Post by Purp1eOne on Jul 7, 2020 11:23:25 GMT -6
My proof is you have no proof it is a real thing. At least you moved off of this initial take and now admit there is such a thing as Antifa.
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Post by Purp1eOne on Jul 7, 2020 11:26:36 GMT -6
Your cited article to me appears to support my view that Antifa is not a real threat, Now you are coming around to they exist but nothing to worry about. My guess is if they were doing what they are doing in some of these cities to the town/house/neighborhood you live in/around you would feel quite differently. When you say serious threat what do you mean? What about the whole erasing history thing? Kind of goes hand in hand with what they are doing in the schools doesn't it. Do you have any issues with that or do you think that is justified?
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Post by Purp1eOne on Jul 7, 2020 11:49:03 GMT -6
kramerhammer, If you have some free time at the beginning of August...
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Post by Movikx on Jul 7, 2020 14:14:42 GMT -6
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Post by Purp1eOne on Jul 7, 2020 14:35:30 GMT -6
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 7, 2020 14:54:00 GMT -6
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 7, 2020 15:06:01 GMT -6
People like me? You mean hard working, tax paying citizens who don't break the law? Those people? Mortgage paying, bill paying, helping my brother out however they can people. People that spend every free minute they can with family and friends. People that take every OT shift offered to them, not because they need the money, but because they want to help their boss out who has a terrible job managing many terrible people. People that value work, honesty, integrity, fortitude, honor, values. Are those the people you are talking about? Because that is the person I am, through and through. I have never rioted, vandalized, assaulted, desecrated, damaged or even protested. But somehow in your world I am just as guilty as those that do. Since we are talking about types of people, let's talk a little bit about people like you. People that are taught to fear and hate. People that lump all those that may disagree with you on certain things into the worst subset of that group. People that don't think beyond their 5 minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters to see the larger peaceful protest group or, God forbid, consider for even just one second what they are protesting for. 'Nope, I just hate them or fear them so their cause is shit, their methods are shit, their best are shit, their worst are shit, and they are shit." I disagree with nearly every conservative doctrine other than abortion and taxes. But I do not think, even in the slightest, that all conservatives are scum and are out to ruin this country and destroy my way of life. Believe it or not I believe I need you to keep me in check just a little bit so as not to go completely over the liberal edge. I love you my brother. And the older I get, the more I love my brother and the more kinds of brothers I am capable of loving. Pretty liberating feeling really. In summary, think outside your tiny little box just once. Instead of feverish anger over a supposed Antifa thug slapping some dipshit hate monger over the head with a chain, just stop. Just stop and try to consider what might be in the Antifa guys head. Just think what might have been said to provoke such a response. Just think what might have had to been experienced to elicit such an action. Just think............just a little. People like you are not ruining this country. The shit you are being sold to fear and hate are what is ruining this country and as long as they can continue to keep us fighting, the longer they can control us and keep stealing from us all.They give us enough not to rise up and destroy them, but not enough to not need them. Just think. " minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters"
Just like "some people did some things on 9/11" right? This my friend is exactly why I made a generalization. For years you've done nothing on this site but play the "nothing to see here" game while insinuating that all of us are nothing but a bunch of conspiracy theory kooks. Fox is a joke(which it is mostly except for a few people) while the MSM is trustworthy we are told. I've told you there is a slippery slope and you refuse to acknowledge it could be a thing. Well just 2 years ago those on the left mocked Trump for saying they'll come for Washington and Jefferson next......now we hear Mt. Rushmore needs a dose of TNT.
It's implied from you in previous discussions that our nation will continue being the power it is despite families falling apart and the youth wanting to change to a system of economics that doesn't lead to prosperity. I've been telling you for as long as I've been here that the nation cannot survive if the decay isn't stopped. History has shown this time and time again. America is special, but it isn't so special that it is impervious to destruction from within.
The decay won't be stopped with more gov or social justice. It won't stop with more socialism, higher taxes for the rich, abortions on demand, AA hires, or a rainbow flag planted in every yard. It will only stop if we can raise a generation of kids that don't want to rip everything down and start over, but instead love the country despite it's flaws while working for a better tomorrow.
I'm honestly tired of being told people like myself are driven by hate and fear when it has been the left teaching kids for decades that this country is no good due to its founding on racism and slavery. Who is telling blacks they want to put them back in chains? Who is telling women they will lose their rights if "x" conservative is elected? Who is telling moms their kids will drink dirty water and breath polluted air if a republican is elected? Who is it that is telling gays they'll basically be hunted if democrats go away? The politicians of the left thrive on fear and division. I challenge you to really listen to the rhetoric of the DNC. I find it ironic that you would say those things is what motivates me. I'm not driven by either of those things, I'm driven by the love of my country. BTW, I'm not saying the GoP is some perfect party(I'm not a member) or that even those in it have our best interests at heart. I only bring up parties because the extreme left has taken over the party and have used it to further their radical agenda. I agree with you that there are those that want to keep us divided. You are absolutely correct on that.
Take a look around, do you think these kids who are tearing down monuments of abolitionists and founding fathers were taught to have such disdain for this country from conservative teachers, or they learned it from Barry Goldwater? Did they learn it because they were given vouchers to a catholic school? No, they learned it from leftists!
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. The left controls every single part of our culture. The colleges, k-12 schools, entertainment, tech industry......every single one of them either teaches leftism, or reinforces it with bully tactics. I'm not telling you to convert, but just understand that we are reaping the fruits of decades of liberalism. The differences between the left and right go way beyond disagreements on tax rates and national security. The differences and divide now contain whether or not the US deserves to exist given its past.
The dem party and liberals are not those who elected JFK, they have been radicalized. It's come to the point where people are losing jobs if they don't show support for BLM. YEt while the left purges those who don't agree, they continue to accuse people like be of being a fascist. Is this the kind of liberalism you support? I don't think you do, I don't think you're a bad person at heart. I'm sure you just want to raise your family and be a good dude like the rest of us. I sincerely do not hate you or wish ill on you. I don't think your avg liberal is all for this either, but I also to be quite frank, don't believe the avg liberal pays enough attention to know what has happened to their party.
Rome is burning, for once can you understand why many of us on the right are alarmed? It's fine to have a different PoV, it's fine to not agree 100% or vote for the same people. However, if you can't see that many in the dem party and on the left do not share the views of the party from decades ago, then what will convince you?
Sorry for the book, but I'll leave this with you:
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. Thank you angry guy for your wonderful and thought provoking post. I have given great thought and contemplation to what conservatives believe in and represent. I think and talk about it almost every day. But you are correct that I have not given much thought to what my new party represents and brings to the table. I pledge to do that very thing and do some research. I can tell you that I was very upset with conservatives when it became okay to torture and hold captives without charge or representation. It's what led to my 180 on party support. I was so angry with Bush and Cheney and Powell over the Iraq invasion and the lies that led to it that I just switched parties without even thinking much about Liberals. I pledge to you to do that very soul searching. My MSM sources will probably not change much, but believe you me, even I can see the bias in many MSM pieces. So please trust that I am smart enough to see the skew.
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Post by IceRatz16 on Jul 7, 2020 15:16:06 GMT -6
" minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters"
Just like "some people did some things on 9/11" right? This my friend is exactly why I made a generalization. For years you've done nothing on this site but play the "nothing to see here" game while insinuating that all of us are nothing but a bunch of conspiracy theory kooks. Fox is a joke(which it is mostly except for a few people) while the MSM is trustworthy we are told. I've told you there is a slippery slope and you refuse to acknowledge it could be a thing. Well just 2 years ago those on the left mocked Trump for saying they'll come for Washington and Jefferson next......now we hear Mt. Rushmore needs a dose of TNT.
It's implied from you in previous discussions that our nation will continue being the power it is despite families falling apart and the youth wanting to change to a system of economics that doesn't lead to prosperity. I've been telling you for as long as I've been here that the nation cannot survive if the decay isn't stopped. History has shown this time and time again. America is special, but it isn't so special that it is impervious to destruction from within.
The decay won't be stopped with more gov or social justice. It won't stop with more socialism, higher taxes for the rich, abortions on demand, AA hires, or a rainbow flag planted in every yard. It will only stop if we can raise a generation of kids that don't want to rip everything down and start over, but instead love the country despite it's flaws while working for a better tomorrow.
I'm honestly tired of being told people like myself are driven by hate and fear when it has been the left teaching kids for decades that this country is no good due to its founding on racism and slavery. Who is telling blacks they want to put them back in chains? Who is telling women they will lose their rights if "x" conservative is elected? Who is telling moms their kids will drink dirty water and breath polluted air if a republican is elected? Who is it that is telling gays they'll basically be hunted if democrats go away? The politicians of the left thrive on fear and division. I challenge you to really listen to the rhetoric of the DNC. I find it ironic that you would say those things is what motivates me. I'm not driven by either of those things, I'm driven by the love of my country. BTW, I'm not saying the GoP is some perfect party(I'm not a member) or that even those in it have our best interests at heart. I only bring up parties because the extreme left has taken over the party and have used it to further their radical agenda. I agree with you that there are those that want to keep us divided. You are absolutely correct on that.
Take a look around, do you think these kids who are tearing down monuments of abolitionists and founding fathers were taught to have such disdain for this country from conservative teachers, or they learned it from Barry Goldwater? Did they learn it because they were given vouchers to a catholic school? No, they learned it from leftists!
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. The left controls every single part of our culture. The colleges, k-12 schools, entertainment, tech industry......every single one of them either teaches leftism, or reinforces it with bully tactics. I'm not telling you to convert, but just understand that we are reaping the fruits of decades of liberalism. The differences between the left and right go way beyond disagreements on tax rates and national security. The differences and divide now contain whether or not the US deserves to exist given its past.
The dem party and liberals are not those who elected JFK, they have been radicalized. It's come to the point where people are losing jobs if they don't show support for BLM. YEt while the left purges those who don't agree, they continue to accuse people like be of being a fascist. Is this the kind of liberalism you support? I don't think you do, I don't think you're a bad person at heart. I'm sure you just want to raise your family and be a good dude like the rest of us. I sincerely do not hate you or wish ill on you. I don't think your avg liberal is all for this either, but I also to be quite frank, don't believe the avg liberal pays enough attention to know what has happened to their party.
Rome is burning, for once can you understand why many of us on the right are alarmed? It's fine to have a different PoV, it's fine to not agree 100% or vote for the same people. However, if you can't see that many in the dem party and on the left do not share the views of the party from decades ago, then what will convince you?
Sorry for the book, but I'll leave this with you:
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. Thank you angry guy for your wonderful and thought provoking post. I have given great thought and contemplation to what conservatives believe in and represent. I think and talk about it almost every day. But you are correct that I have not given much thought to what my new party represents and brings to the table. I pledge to do that very thing and do some research. I can tell you that I was very upset with conservatives when it became okay to torture and hold captives without charge or representation. It's what led to my 180 on party support. I was so angry with Bush and Cheney and Powell over the Iraq invasion and the lies that led to it that I just switched parties without even thinking much about Liberals. I pledge to you to do that very soul searching. My MSM sources will probably not change much, but believe you me, even I can see the bias in many MSM pieces. So please trust that I am smart enough to see the skew. I applaud this reply. The world is becoming scarier and scarier and it's important to make sure one is not swooned/sucked in, no matter which side you reside. The instant emotional responses to every matter in life can be a part of that issue as well and I know I succumb to it from time to time, especially through sports.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 7, 2020 15:23:37 GMT -6
Your cited article to me appears to support my view that Antifa is not a real threat, Now you are coming around to they exist but nothing to worry about. My guess is if they were doing what they are doing in some of these cities to the town/house/neighborhood you live in/around you would feel quite differently. When you say serious threat what do you mean? What about the whole erasing history thing? Kind of goes hand in hand with what they are doing in the schools doesn't it. Do you have any issues with that or do you think that is justified? My guess is if they were doing what they are doing in some of these cities to the town/house/neighborhood you live in/around you would feel quite differently. If those knuckle heads want to crack a skin head dumb shit in the skull with a chain, I have little to no problem with that. I think I made that clear in the past. I know it sounds funny for a Liberal to turn a blind eye to violence and people think I should condemn it from either direction, but if it is two dumbasses contributing to evolutions theory of survival of the fittest.........then this snowflake can look the other way while weaker members of a species knock each other out of the gene pool. As far as it happening in my neighborhood. I guess I would be upset if I couldn't pick up a 12 pack every other day and may get a little snitty. My panties might get a bit in a bunch if I had to go around town to get back and forth to work. But it would not enrage me. Not anymore. As we have seen, these people tire quickly and dissipate fast. And sometimes you just need to re-arrange the furniture. When you say serious threat what do you mean? Organized, dangerous. Real threats. As the article you posted points out, these are not really scary people training in the woods all the time plotting to take down society as a whole. What about the whole erasing history thing? Kind of goes hand in hand with what they are doing in the schools doesn't it. Do you have any issues with that or do you think that is justified? I can learn history in a book. I can't learn much from a statue. And please don't forget that they would not be the first group to try to re-write a particular history in a better light than what really happened.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jul 7, 2020 15:26:15 GMT -6
" minutes of rage over a few rioters and looters"
Just like "some people did some things on 9/11" right? This my friend is exactly why I made a generalization. For years you've done nothing on this site but play the "nothing to see here" game while insinuating that all of us are nothing but a bunch of conspiracy theory kooks. Fox is a joke(which it is mostly except for a few people) while the MSM is trustworthy we are told. I've told you there is a slippery slope and you refuse to acknowledge it could be a thing. Well just 2 years ago those on the left mocked Trump for saying they'll come for Washington and Jefferson next......now we hear Mt. Rushmore needs a dose of TNT.
It's implied from you in previous discussions that our nation will continue being the power it is despite families falling apart and the youth wanting to change to a system of economics that doesn't lead to prosperity. I've been telling you for as long as I've been here that the nation cannot survive if the decay isn't stopped. History has shown this time and time again. America is special, but it isn't so special that it is impervious to destruction from within.
The decay won't be stopped with more gov or social justice. It won't stop with more socialism, higher taxes for the rich, abortions on demand, AA hires, or a rainbow flag planted in every yard. It will only stop if we can raise a generation of kids that don't want to rip everything down and start over, but instead love the country despite it's flaws while working for a better tomorrow.
I'm honestly tired of being told people like myself are driven by hate and fear when it has been the left teaching kids for decades that this country is no good due to its founding on racism and slavery. Who is telling blacks they want to put them back in chains? Who is telling women they will lose their rights if "x" conservative is elected? Who is telling moms their kids will drink dirty water and breath polluted air if a republican is elected? Who is it that is telling gays they'll basically be hunted if democrats go away? The politicians of the left thrive on fear and division. I challenge you to really listen to the rhetoric of the DNC. I find it ironic that you would say those things is what motivates me. I'm not driven by either of those things, I'm driven by the love of my country. BTW, I'm not saying the GoP is some perfect party(I'm not a member) or that even those in it have our best interests at heart. I only bring up parties because the extreme left has taken over the party and have used it to further their radical agenda. I agree with you that there are those that want to keep us divided. You are absolutely correct on that.
Take a look around, do you think these kids who are tearing down monuments of abolitionists and founding fathers were taught to have such disdain for this country from conservative teachers, or they learned it from Barry Goldwater? Did they learn it because they were given vouchers to a catholic school? No, they learned it from leftists!
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. The left controls every single part of our culture. The colleges, k-12 schools, entertainment, tech industry......every single one of them either teaches leftism, or reinforces it with bully tactics. I'm not telling you to convert, but just understand that we are reaping the fruits of decades of liberalism. The differences between the left and right go way beyond disagreements on tax rates and national security. The differences and divide now contain whether or not the US deserves to exist given its past.
The dem party and liberals are not those who elected JFK, they have been radicalized. It's come to the point where people are losing jobs if they don't show support for BLM. YEt while the left purges those who don't agree, they continue to accuse people like be of being a fascist. Is this the kind of liberalism you support? I don't think you do, I don't think you're a bad person at heart. I'm sure you just want to raise your family and be a good dude like the rest of us. I sincerely do not hate you or wish ill on you. I don't think your avg liberal is all for this either, but I also to be quite frank, don't believe the avg liberal pays enough attention to know what has happened to their party.
Rome is burning, for once can you understand why many of us on the right are alarmed? It's fine to have a different PoV, it's fine to not agree 100% or vote for the same people. However, if you can't see that many in the dem party and on the left do not share the views of the party from decades ago, then what will convince you?
Sorry for the book, but I'll leave this with you:
Krammer it's time for some soul searching on your part and really think about what your party and ideological leaders have been preaching for the entirety of our lifetime. Thank you angry guy for your wonderful and thought provoking post. I have given great thought and contemplation to what conservatives believe in and represent. I think and talk about it almost every day. But you are correct that I have not given much thought to what my new party represents and brings to the table. I pledge to do that very thing and do some research. I can tell you that I was very upset with conservatives when it became okay to torture and hold captives without charge or representation. It's what led to my 180 on party support. I was so angry with Bush and Cheney and Powell over the Iraq invasion and the lies that led to it that I just switched parties without even thinking much about Liberals. I pledge to you to do that very soul searching. My MSM sources will probably not change much, but believe you me, even I can see the bias in many MSM pieces. So please trust that I am smart enough to see the skew. I can respect that, I sincerely mean that. You might be surprised I'm no cheerleader for Pres Bush either.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 7, 2020 15:30:40 GMT -6
kramerhammer , If you have some free time at the beginning of August... I look forward to it. I took an air sickness bag with me as a souvenir from my flight to the Denver home game comeback last year and that will come in handy. JK. But I would be very interested in seeing that. I make no apologies for wanting many social changes in my country. I love Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and believe strongly that it would benefit all in this country. Too much evidence of its success exists not to at least try it. We are Merica, if it doesn't work then just fix it or change it back. I'm not afraid.
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Post by Purplemachine on Jul 7, 2020 15:35:45 GMT -6
What is the daily limit? Or maybe it's like shooting prairie dogs, no limit, no license. These would be easy out to 1000 yds.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 7, 2020 15:39:44 GMT -6
Thank you angry guy for your wonderful and thought provoking post. I have given great thought and contemplation to what conservatives believe in and represent. I think and talk about it almost every day. But you are correct that I have not given much thought to what my new party represents and brings to the table. I pledge to do that very thing and do some research. I can tell you that I was very upset with conservatives when it became okay to torture and hold captives without charge or representation. It's what led to my 180 on party support. I was so angry with Bush and Cheney and Powell over the Iraq invasion and the lies that led to it that I just switched parties without even thinking much about Liberals. I pledge to you to do that very soul searching. My MSM sources will probably not change much, but believe you me, even I can see the bias in many MSM pieces. So please trust that I am smart enough to see the skew. I can respect that, I sincerely mean that. You might be surprised I'm no cheerleader for Pres Bush either. It changed me angry. When I saw what they did to our soldiers in Mogadishu and what we were doing to enemy combatants, I couldn't take it anymore. I remember my outrage at the dragging of US soldiers through the streets of Mogadishu and we turn around and do the same or possibly worse? I couldn't take it and couldn't support it. My son was 8 years old at the time and my daughter was 7. All I could think was what would I think if they did any of those things to my child, alive or dead. It caused me to rethink everything I believed in. Everything I thought I knew. I learned a lot, but probably not enough.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 7, 2020 15:46:38 GMT -6
What is this video? It won't play for me.
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