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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 15, 2020 11:49:50 GMT -6
I have him blocked but the Florida info is true the data is shit. Anyone can look it up. I would like to see some data. Do you have a link? FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results Robert Guaderrama1 day ago ORLANDO, Fla. - After FOX 35 News noticed errors in the state's report on positivity rates, the Florida Department of Health said that some laboratories have not been reporting negative test result data to the state. Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 News found that testing sites like one local Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive. How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report. The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report. MORE NEWS: Florida has largest single-day jump in COVID-19 deaths yet, with 132 more reported The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent. FOX 35 News went on to speak with the Florida Department of Health on Tuesday. They confirmed that although private and public laboratories are required to report positive and negative results to the state immediately, some have not. Specifically, they said that some smaller, private labs were not reporting negative test result data to the state. "The Department immediately began working with those labs to ensure that all results were being reported in order to provide comprehensive and transparent data," a spokesperson for the Florida Department of Health said. "As the state continues to receive results from various labs, the Department will continue educating these labs on proper protocol for reporting COVID-19 test results." www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results.amp?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 15, 2020 12:02:36 GMT -6
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 15, 2020 16:57:43 GMT -6
Tweets are shit. No links to any assertions made by twits. No reputations being put on the line. Just personal opinion BS. No links to any credible news organization whose reputation would be ruined by misinformation. Tweets are shit information. If misinfo ruined news orgs, CNN, and the rest of the MSM would be out of business. Thankfully, they have an audience of enough people who don't question what they hear because their heads are buried in the sand. It's amazing you defend a news group that literally said it's not written protests have to be peaceful. Actually check that, I'm not amazed at a liberal showing he doesn't know the Constitution. I freely admit MSM definitely has a liberal bent. I can also see where those that are not astute skeptical readers could easily be swayed to be more sycophant than informed voter. But the demagoguery I see in the right leaning rags and networks is beyond the pale. Every liberal hates you and America, every liberal idea is communism, every protestor is anarchy antifa bred and born hellbent on violence and chaos. Both sides are guilty, one a little more than the other IMHO.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 15, 2020 17:05:05 GMT -6
I would like to see some data. Do you have a link? FOX 35 INVESTIGATES: Florida Department of Health says some labs have not reported negative COVID-19 results Robert Guaderrama1 day ago ORLANDO, Fla. - After FOX 35 News noticed errors in the state's report on positivity rates, the Florida Department of Health said that some laboratories have not been reporting negative test result data to the state. Countless labs have reported a 100 percent positivity rate, which means every single person tested was positive. Other labs had very high positivity rates. FOX 35 News found that testing sites like one local Centra Care reported that 83 people were tested and all tested positive. Then, NCF Diagnostics in Alachua reported 88 percent of tests were positive. How could that be? FOX 35 News investigated these astronomical numbers, contacting every local location mentioned in the report. The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health's positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report. MORE NEWS: Florida has largest single-day jump in COVID-19 deaths yet, with 132 more reported The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent. FOX 35 News went on to speak with the Florida Department of Health on Tuesday. They confirmed that although private and public laboratories are required to report positive and negative results to the state immediately, some have not. Specifically, they said that some smaller, private labs were not reporting negative test result data to the state. "The Department immediately began working with those labs to ensure that all results were being reported in order to provide comprehensive and transparent data," a spokesperson for the Florida Department of Health said. "As the state continues to receive results from various labs, the Department will continue educating these labs on proper protocol for reporting COVID-19 test results." www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results.amp?__twitter_impression=trueI know plundering doesn't want to hear my shit, but I hope others will at least read and ponder. Positivity rates are important but only part of the story. Shear numbers of positives are real. If total numbers of positives is climbing that is a problem regardless of negatives. Notice his article does not mention rate of growth in positive tests? Did anyone notice there is not a link in his post? They are trying to fool you. Read. Be critical about every thing you read ESPECIALLY if you agree with most of it. Ask some damn questions. This shit is real and it is killing and it is spreading.
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kramerhammer
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 15, 2020 17:29:56 GMT -6
Personal note to plundering if someone could share it with him.
The only people who will not get this virus are those that can avoid it long enough to get an effective vaccine. This will affect every person on this planet in some way shape or form. You will know personally many people who got it with little to no symptoms, people with pretty bad illness, people with severe illness and side effects and many people that die. Hopefully, most of us will not fall in the latter category.
This pandemic will make the Spanish flu look like the common cold. It's real, it's terrible, it's dangerous and it's catastrophic. You think 2-3 months of shut downs are bad? If we don't all start wearing masks for every venture outside the home and washing our hands after every contact outside and inside our homes for the next 6-9 months to bring this under control, the human loss and devastation will be beyond comprehension. Our only hope is science and medical advancements from the last 100 years.
The only silver lining in all of this is that elections will pretty much be inconsequential, MSM leanings will be irrelevant, twitter tweets will be about how to survive and not spreading misinformation to kill those around us.
Mark it down.
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Post by nodakviking on Jul 15, 2020 22:45:25 GMT -6
Why are we shut down still while the rest of the world opens up? Anything to do with an upcoming election? Deaths per capita.
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Post by nodakviking on Jul 15, 2020 22:55:15 GMT -6
Number of tests is irrelevant as is the number of positives. Rate of positives per test has value. They aren't reporting or many times even tracking relevant statistics which should tell you all you need to know. Now they are going back to old death certificates and assigning them as Covid deaths if they had TWO or more symptoms with out actual testing. 25% of the reported deaths in AZ Monday were from deaths as far back as March. Every person going to an appt at Mayo(and mot other hospitals) have to get a Covid test prior. If they test positive and are admitted for the scheduled procedure they are a Covid hospitalization.
You simply can not make policy decisions when this is the way they collect and report data. The fact is there is significant extra money when a patient has a Covid designation. That alone will drastically skew the way they track data purposeful or not.
Incompetence or purposeful, I'm not sure which is worse.
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Post by SmokedPears on Jul 16, 2020 7:47:33 GMT -6
I'll post this again because it's so good. Although the data is starting to get a little old.
jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/6/28/secondwave
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 16, 2020 7:54:19 GMT -6
Number of tests is irrelevant as is the number of positives. Rate of positives per test has value. They aren't reporting or many times even tracking relevant statistics which should tell you all you need to know. Now they are going back to old death certificates and assigning them as Covid deaths if they had TWO or more symptoms with out actual testing. 25% of the reported deaths in AZ Monday were from deaths as far back as March. Every person going to an appt at Mayo(and mot other hospitals) have to get a Covid test prior. If they test positive and are admitted for the scheduled procedure they are a Covid hospitalization. You simply can not make policy decisions when this is the way they collect and report data. The fact is there is significant extra money when a patient has a Covid designation. That alone will drastically skew the way they track data purposeful or not. Incompetence or purposeful, I'm not sure which is worse. Well said. The leftist Governors killed people. The data is wrong and can’t be trusted. Its all about Orange Man Bad
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Post by SmokedPears on Jul 16, 2020 8:20:28 GMT -6
Number of tests is irrelevant as is the number of positives. Rate of positives per test has value. They aren't reporting or many times even tracking relevant statistics which should tell you all you need to know. Now they are going back to old death certificates and assigning them as Covid deaths if they had TWO or more symptoms with out actual testing. 25% of the reported deaths in AZ Monday were from deaths as far back as March. Every person going to an appt at Mayo(and mot other hospitals) have to get a Covid test prior. If they test positive and are admitted for the scheduled procedure they are a Covid hospitalization. You simply can not make policy decisions when this is the way they collect and report data. The fact is there is significant extra money when a patient has a Covid designation. That alone will drastically skew the way they track data purposeful or not. Incompetence or purposeful, I'm not sure which is worse. Well said. The leftist Governors killed people. The data is wrong and can’t be trusted. Its all about Orange Man Bad One thing I can't understand is how do they think they are going to hurt Trump by all of this?
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 16, 2020 8:25:26 GMT -6
Well said. The leftist Governors killed people. The data is wrong and can’t be trusted. Its all about Orange Man Bad One thing I can't understand is how do they think they are going to hurt Trump by all of this? Trying to get economy to crash before election. They have no hope of actually winning election on merit. This is their only option. Keeping schools shut down means one breadwinner has to stay home. Less working or in college means more riots and looting to disrupt MAGA messaging and make people scared. Scared peeps stay home and buy less. So many other things but its their only play.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jul 16, 2020 8:41:09 GMT -6
If misinfo ruined news orgs, CNN, and the rest of the MSM would be out of business. Thankfully, they have an audience of enough people who don't question what they hear because their heads are buried in the sand. It's amazing you defend a news group that literally said it's not written protests have to be peaceful. Actually check that, I'm not amazed at a liberal showing he doesn't know the Constitution. I freely admit MSM definitely has a liberal bent. I can also see where those that are not astute skeptical readers could easily be swayed to be more sycophant than informed voter. But the demagoguery I see in the right leaning rags and networks is beyond the pale. Every liberal hates you and America, every liberal idea is communism, every protestor is anarchy antifa bred and born hellbent on violence and chaos. Both sides are guilty, one a little more than the other IMHO. I don't believe all liberals hate conservatives or America, but I do believe the MSM sure does. The contrast of how they reported the protests over the lockdown and those by BLM paint the picture clear as day. The MSM constantly reinforces the idea that conservatives want to kill the environment and by extension, you.
Liberals may say they don't hate America(I have a hard time believing the hardcore don't), but the people they vote for say it with their policies and actions. Most times I hear some lib politician talking it's either about how racist, homophobic, bigoted, sexist, or some other ism America is. I rarely hear them actually praise how great this country is without adding "but" in the sentence. How can I believe someone loves something they are constantly criticising and wanting to transform radically?
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Post by angryguy77 on Jul 16, 2020 8:58:02 GMT -6
Personal note to plundering if someone could share it with him. The only people who will not get this virus are those that can avoid it long enough to get an effective vaccine. This will affect every person on this planet in some way shape or form. You will know personally many people who got it with little to no symptoms, people with pretty bad illness, people with severe illness and side effects and many people that die. Hopefully, most of us will not fall in the latter category. This pandemic will make the Spanish flu look like the common cold. It's real, it's terrible, it's dangerous and it's catastrophic. You think 2-3 months of shut downs are bad? If we don't all start wearing masks for every venture outside the home and washing our hands after every contact outside and inside our homes for the next 6-9 months to bring this under control, the human loss and devastation will be beyond comprehension. Our only hope is science and medical advancements from the last 100 years. The only silver lining in all of this is that elections will pretty much be inconsequential, MSM leanings will be irrelevant, twitter tweets will be about how to survive and not spreading misinformation to kill those around us. Mark it down. I don't think anyone would disagree that there is room to have a conversation about the dangers the virus presents. I also would think that most would agree it can kill. However the way to handle it is what people differ on. Who should be protected and how should be the topic. I've said this before, NY, NJ, and CA all have been the most harshest states in terms of lockdown, yet their death per capita is higher than those that were not as forceful in their pandemic response. There's countries in Europe who have not locked down and they are not really any worse off than those that did.
I don't believe destroying someone's life over a virus that in reality doesn't kill the vast majority of people is appropriate. I don't believe that depriving kids of an education is for the greater good as well. There are people who still have not been approved for assistance since march because the system is overloaded. Imagine going that long without income and facing eviction. Even when they do finally get UI, they are still deep in dept.
As for masks, I can't take this seriously. Why? Because 1000's upon 1000's die each year from the flu and these same people telling us to now wear a mask were nowhere to be found prior to 2020. IDC if there is a vaccine or not, people still die and if wearing a mask now is "good citizenship" because it keeps you from being a murderer, then it should be required every year between Oct and April. The logic is to be consistent.
Also, there level of push back may not be as fierce if dissent wasn't censored during this whole thing. Doctors coming out disputing the level of danger this virus presents have been ridiculed and/or silenced. It's hard for me to take "experts" shouting to us about science when they don't follow the scientific method themselves.
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Post by OkieDokie on Jul 16, 2020 11:13:21 GMT -6
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Post by SmokedPears on Jul 16, 2020 11:14:07 GMT -6
One thing I can't understand is how do they think they are going to hurt Trump by all of this? Trying to get economy to crash before election. They have no hope of actually winning election on merit. This is their only option. Keeping schools shut down means one breadwinner has to stay home. Less working or in college means more riots and looting to disrupt MAGA messaging and make people scared. Scared peeps stay home and buy less. So many other things but its their only play. But how does that hurt Trump? Surely people are seeing the real cause. Well except for the 33% who will vote D no matter what. Dimwits! Burn the country down if we can't control it!
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