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Post by doogiehowser on Apr 12, 2019 7:54:40 GMT -6
In this For-Profit, student debt college crisis we have in this country, the only degrees that are worth the debt today are STEM degrees. College is SO expensive. I know not all kids can get them and they are a hard curriculum that requires a higher level of intelligence, but they pay new grads lots of $$$$. Especially in the Tech sector. These software engineers come out of school making anywhere from $55k-$100k in Year 1. I can't even imagine what it would be like to make say $75,000 at 22 years old, lol. Some kids are making $200K+ at places like Facebook (cost of living is high in NoCal/Silicon Valley).
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Post by savannahskol on Apr 12, 2019 8:36:52 GMT -6
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Post by vikingdan on Apr 12, 2019 9:41:27 GMT -6
Of course it will pay off, just not in real money. |
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Post by vikingdan on Apr 12, 2019 9:44:06 GMT -6
The reality is many general degrees don't make sense for a lot of people. Trades are begging for new employees and the degrees cost less and take less time to get. I really don't understand why some very good blue collar jobs aren't as valued.
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Post by fairweatherfan on Apr 12, 2019 10:58:03 GMT -6
The reality is many general degrees don't make sense for a lot of people. Trades are begging for new employees and the degrees cost less and take less time to get. I really don't understand why some very good blue collar jobs aren't as valued. I think there was an air of dignity and uppitidy-ness if you had a degree, say, in the baby boomer generation. I mean, didn't companies like insurance and stock brokers require the receptionist to have a college degree? And back then it probably was a symbol of more advanced learning, since you probably took math and economics and stuff. Right now I think there are still people with useless liberal arts PhDs who really think their you know what doesn't stink, and they look down on tradespeople. That should change. A mechanic should laugh his ass off at a PhD person waiting tables. |
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Post by vikefever on Apr 12, 2019 11:49:21 GMT -6
My father (who would be 92 if alive) was the first to get a college degree (cornell 1949)in his family. He had bachelor of science in viticulture. He spent the next 54 years working for Great Western, Taylor wine company and Welch's. I don't believe today, that degree would be easily paid off.
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Post by tempevike on Apr 12, 2019 12:11:55 GMT -6
I would say nursing and accounting/finance are pretty good non STEM degrees. An LPN pays probably about $15K for education and can make over $60K. The average CPA makes six figures.
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Post by savannahskol on Apr 12, 2019 12:11:58 GMT -6
My father (who would be 92 if alive) was the first to get a college degree (cornell 1949)in his family. He had bachelor of science in viticulture. He spent the next 54 years working for Great Western, Taylor wine company and Welch's. I don't believe today, that degree would be easily paid off. Was he in the acapella group, Here comes Treble? 😎  |
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Post by vikefever on Apr 12, 2019 12:57:58 GMT -6
Barbershop quartet
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Post by Purplemachine on Apr 12, 2019 13:08:18 GMT -6
The reality is many general degrees don't make sense for a lot of people. Trades are begging for new employees and the degrees cost less and take less time to get. I really don't understand why some very good blue collar jobs aren't as valued. This is very true. You can earn a nice living doing many trades and even better if you are willing to start your own buisness. Electricians, HVAC folks, welders, machinists, etc. need only a 2 year degree and can all make $50K per year or better. When my kids go to colledge in whatever field they choose I've already told them they should work part time doing something and don't think about partying to much. I'm willing to help them but also want to see them have some skin in the game so to speak. No free rides. |
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Post by JimmyinSD on Apr 12, 2019 13:57:25 GMT -6
I would say nursing and accounting/finance are pretty good non STEM degrees. An LPN pays probably about $15K for education and can make over $60K. The average CPA makes six figures. I dont know of any LPNs making that kind of coin, but the trades say they arent to far from it in the highest paying states. RN AAS degrees are becoming popular again and they will make that kind of money though and really only require about another semester or so of schooling to complete. My daughter and her fiance are both carrying that degree and are starting out here in SD at about $50,000 a year each at 22 and 21 years old, and the benefits packages are great. I had to steer my daughter towards this path, but last week she said how happy she was to have her degree and 2 years experience as an LPN instead of still looking at another year of schooling if she had went to state for the RN BS degree and starting from scratch a year from now. The future is in community colleges and tech schools for these real life degrees at a common sense cost. |
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Post by doogiehowser on Apr 12, 2019 14:01:23 GMT -6
The reality is many general degrees don't make sense for a lot of people. Trades are begging for new employees and the degrees cost less and take less time to get. I really don't understand why some very good blue collar jobs aren't as valued. Here's some inside info: many kids don't want these jobs. So a buddy of mine works as a utility lineman for the county he lives in. Good job, good pay and good benefits. He has a program where he will apprentice 4 high school kids a year and they will eventually be a utility lineman. Not only can he not get kids to sign up (its free), the ones he does quit after getting one paycheck or quit after a month. So he gets one kid a year basically that sticks with it. There are opportunities out there like this for a skilled trade but many suburban kids aren't interested. |
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Post by JimmyinSD on Apr 12, 2019 14:09:27 GMT -6
The reality is many general degrees don't make sense for a lot of people. Trades are begging for new employees and the degrees cost less and take less time to get. I really don't understand why some very good blue collar jobs aren't as valued. Here's some inside info: many kids don't want these jobs. So a buddy of mine works as a utility lineman for the county he lives in. Good job, good pay and good benefits. He has a program where he will apprentice 4 high school kids a year and they will eventually be a utility lineman. Not only can he not get kids to sign up (its free), the ones he does quit after getting one paycheck or quit after a month. So he gets one kid a year basically that sticks with it. There are opportunities out there like this for a skilled trade but many suburban kids aren't interested. I think a lot of the stigma comes from the parents. so many parents went to a 4 year school and its like that is the benchmark for their kids. most of them have been in a stable job for 20 years and really dont understand how much the job market has shifted since we graduated. I had one friend whos boy and my boy are as close as they come and when I mentioned a 2 year program for his kid he about yelled at me. as a result my son was very very reluctant to look at 2 year degrees until I showed him his FAFSA results and let him know that I wasnt paying for a 4 year degree that doesnt have jobs waiting and better pay than a 2 year degree.... he couldnt find one that he was interested in. what sealed it was when I showed him what a HVAC Tech makes vs a conservation officer, the number of jobs available, and the fact that when he wanted to be hunting or fishing... as a conservation officer or environmental tech he would likely be working. |
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Post by angryguy77 on Apr 12, 2019 14:14:26 GMT -6
You mean my major in woman and miller lite isn't going to be useful?
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Post by JimmyinSD on Apr 12, 2019 14:23:18 GMT -6
You mean my major in woman and miller lite isn't going to be useful? not as good as my doctorate in the same! (with post graduate work in whiskey!) |
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