Kirk vs Aints XMas Day - Game Day thread

[Purplemachine]

What a fucking joke. 1st game watched all year. O-line still a mess. RICK CAN YOU FIX THIS SHIT AFTER 10 YEARS?

Jefferson looks legit. Thielen still a stud. Defense atrocious.

Glad I haven't wasted the year watching the crap show.

Oh and still saw at least 5-6 kneelers in the beginning that really pissed me off.

[wmpurple]

Dec 25, 2020 18:51:42 GMT -6 solomon69 said:

Dec 25, 2020 18:49:49 GMT -6 wmpurple said:

It fills me with great joy knowing Zimmer has to fall asleep today with 6 Kamara TDs and a 50-burger. Clean house. Now.

starting with Zim.  

That's what I meant. And take Rick with him. The one who always neglects the trenches.

[Uncle]

The tackling by the Viking backups (and a few starters like Harris sprinkled in there, too) was one of the worst performances I've ever seen...reminded me of the 2018 Wk 3 game vs a rookie Josh Allen and the Bills where we were blown out of our own building by a garbage Bills team (2018 Bills were nothing like the 2020 Bills team)....we couldn't tackle that day, but I think this performance was worse....yes we're missing starters in the Front 7, but we still have a Jaleel Johnson in Year 4 and Shamar Stephen who's supposed to be a starting DT....

...and Zimmer and Kubiak need to realize that we can't win games in a straight-up trench war because we absolutely don't have the horses...we need to be a wide-open offense w/ the type of players we have - great skill position players and more athleticism on defense than "beef"...so be aggressive on both sides...but nope, it's Zim/Kubiak-ball and trying to jam square pegs in round holes...

[wmpurple]

No Saints punting today. And if a rib-damaged Breed doesn't throw 2 INTs, we end up in the Sixties. Bloody hell, what a nationwide embarrassment.

[Uncle]

The only good thing from getting embarrassed on national TV is that it may force the Wilfs and/or Zimmer to do something...especially after basically giving the front office a blank check for nearly whatever they wanted to do, and today's game is the return on their investments in year 7 the current regime...

Someone may want to ask the Wilfs if they want to win something...because returning the same regime in 2021+ will just lead to the same results...and you know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results...

[greylock]

Dec 25, 2020 18:59:48 GMT -6 wmpurple said:

No Saints punting today. And if a rib-damaged Breed doesn't throw 2 INTs, we end up in the Sixties. Bloody hell, what a nationwide embarrassment.

And 1 forced punt last week against the Bears.  That's ONE punt the defense has forced in the last two games.

[Uncle]

...again, who's the real LB we're missing again?

Without Barr? Not great, but can be managed...

Without Kendricks? Well, greylock's post about the last 2 weeks says it all....

[greylock]

Dec 25, 2020 19:06:07 GMT -6 Uncle said:

.because returning the same regime in 2021+ will just lead to the same results.

Well it may not be the same results because they will have an easier schedule because of the crappy finish this season.

Because of no fans this season the Wilf's most likely lost a lot of money so there is no way they are going to fire Zimmer and eat his salary and they sure as hell aren't going to cut Cousins and eat his salary so in that sense it will lead to the same results.

[OkieDokie]

Dec 25, 2020 18:32:32 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

Dec 25, 2020 18:21:15 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

Swiss Cheese Bowl update

45-27 NO

4:00 left. Time for stats. Kirk has 203 currently. Can he get to 300 with even softer defense?

Yup. Scrub time Kirk is now up to 282 from 203. 28% of yards against prevent D lol. This is why you can’t just look at total game stats you need the eye test and Kirk fails it. He is just too jittery.

And on 4th down he passes in field vice EZ. Generous spot awards TD but he never broke plain. Bad pass placement good acting by Adam.

Stats padding is real with Kirk

Swiss Cheese Bowl now 45-33

Reminder. Kirk had only 203 yards til 4 minute scrub mark. Ended up with 30% of his yards after game was over. This is typical Kirk yet someday someone will show hisstats and claim he is top 10 qb, look at all his yards. He is a one read qb. I focused in him all game and he has a tell walking to line he darts his eyes the primary target area its very quick. But he also zines in in primary after snap rarely scanning field. If covered its panic time.

[skolvike]

Dec 25, 2020 18:38:32 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

I suffered thru this shit show. No more this year.

1. Kirk is not it. Will never deliver a SB and for fans thats all that matters after decades.

2. Defense is worst in NFL
Verbum sap.

1. and 3. OLine is bad but Kirk helps them look bad.
Kirk hate is BS. He had us still in the game until the worse D in the league even got worse. HE averages better than 27 points a game, and he certainly didn't score all of them "in garbage time." Did KIRK Give up that half a buck worth of points? Please tell me how he did it.
4. Need new kicker
Needed one for the last 4 games.

5. Coaching is absolute garbage with no clock skills either.
Not just HC. ST coach sucks, OC calls great plays for 1960, positions coaches develop NO ONE.

6. Rick and Zimmer stealing money (salaries)
Zimmer didn't just lose an eye, he lost his heart at the same time. Spielman's constant trading down for quantity over quality finally came home to roost. He proved beyond doubt not every one can play at an NFL level by successive drafts where most of his draftees can't play at the NFL level.

Gonna be years before good. Too much cap tied up in qb and rb. No room to improve much right now.
I disagree here. Cousins makes 33M and takes up about 17% of the cap, well within the starting salary of a starting NFL QB. Cook makes 12.6M, 5 highest on the team and 6th in the league and 2nd in stats. Where we lose money is guys like Barr, 4th highest paid on the team at 13.5M, Rieff, 6th on the team at 11.75M, Harris at 11M, Rudolf at 9M. Now look at the other end. Did you know there are 33 guys making less than 1M? Many of whom play substantial numbers of snaps? Repeat: All those basement level salaries add credence to the fact Spielman prefers end of the draft JAGS over talent, and pays them accordingly. That's not Cousins' fault, but it sure explains a lot of his problems. The vikinggs problems originate with Spielman, and are magnified by Zimmer, IMO Cousins is more a victim of these two than a culprit in the Vikings implosion.

[greylock]

Dec 25, 2020 22:49:41 GMT -6 skolvike said:

Spielman's constant trading down for quantity over quality finally came home to roost.

Spielman seems to think he can outsmart other GM's by trading down and emphasizing quantity over quality. But that idea is old and tired and so is the idea of the stupid 10 draft pick rule he seems to live by. You nailed it skolvike it has finally come home to roost.

[skoldier]

Dec 25, 2020 20:27:25 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

Dec 25, 2020 18:32:32 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

Yup. Scrub time Kirk is now up to 282 from 203. 28% of yards against prevent D lol. This is why you can’t just look at total game stats you need the eye test and Kirk fails it. He is just too jittery.

And on 4th down he passes in field vice EZ. Generous spot awards TD but he never broke plain. Bad pass placement good acting by Adam.

Stats padding is real with Kirk

Swiss Cheese Bowl now 45-33

Reminder. Kirk had only 203 yards til 4 minute scrub mark. Ended up with 30% of his yards after game was over. This is typical Kirk yet someday someone will show hisstats and claim he is top 10 qb, look at all his yards. He is a one read qb. I focused in him all game and he has a tell walking to line he darts his eyes the primary target area its very quick. But he also zines in in primary after snap rarely scanning field. If covered its panic time.

Cousins stats are what I call Fools Gold Stats.
They look all good and shiny, but after looking past that shiny a smarter football fan will quickly realize the truth.

[OkieDokie]

Dec 25, 2020 22:49:41 GMT -6 skolvike said:

Dec 25, 2020 18:38:32 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

I suffered thru this shit show. No more this year.

1. Kirk is not it. Will never deliver a SB and for fans thats all that matters after decades.

2. Defense is worst in NFL
Verbum sap.

1. and 3. OLine is bad but Kirk helps them look bad.
Kirk hate is BS. He had us still in the game until the worse D in the league even got worse. HE averages better than 27 points a game, and he certainly didn't score all of them "in garbage time." Did KIRK Give up that half a buck worth of points? Please tell me how he did it.
4. Need new kicker
Needed one for the last 4 games.

5. Coaching is absolute garbage with no clock skills either.
Not just HC. ST coach sucks, OC calls great plays for 1960, positions coaches develop NO ONE.

6. Rick and Zimmer stealing money (salaries)
Zimmer didn't just lose an eye, he lost his heart at the same time. Spielman's constant trading down for quantity over quality finally came home to roost. He proved beyond doubt not every one can play at an NFL level by successive drafts where most of his draftees can't play at the NFL level.

Gonna be years before good. Too much cap tied up in qb and rb. No room to improve much right now.
I disagree here. Cousins makes 33M and takes up about 17% of the cap, well within the starting salary of a starting NFL QB. Cook makes 12.6M, 5 highest on the team and 6th in the league and 2nd in stats. Where we lose money is guys like Barr, 4th highest paid on the team at 13.5M, Rieff, 6th on the team at 11.75M, Harris at 11M, Rudolf at 9M. Now look at the other end. Did you know there are 33 guys making less than 1M? Many of whom play substantial numbers of snaps? Repeat: All those basement level salaries add credence to the fact Spielman prefers end of the draft JAGS over talent, and pays them accordingly. That's not Cousins' fault, but it sure explains a lot of his problems. The vikinggs problems originate with Spielman, and are magnified by Zimmer, IMO Cousins is more a victim of these two than a culprit in the Vikings implosion.

Kirk is a one read qb. Its not hate its facts. Why do posters throw out the word hate when they can’t discuss why they they think he’s so good? Its much lazier to label someone as a qb hater.

We’re fans and have different opinions. I focused on Kirk all game. We were gonna lose that game no matter what. I wasn’t watching to see if we could win it was to see if Kirk has ability to ever string together 3 to 4 games and win the Super Bowl someday. And NO has a shitty D and they will be exposed in playoffs.

In our second series down 14-7 we had a 3rd down. Kirk primary was covered but 84 was wide fucking open in the left flat and Kirk never even looked he panicked and just held the ball as defenders pushed our oline back into him and stripped the ball away. He has no pocket awareness. He can’t read the field other than primary. He also has a tell he quickly glances his eyes to the general location of his primary target. Its very quick and his head stays straight ahead but he does this sometimes. Other qbs will look both ways and not give it away and mix up their looks to not have a pattern.

Kirk got 30% if his yards in garbage time. He had 202 at 4 min mark. He racks up garbage yards every game thats over

I like Kirk he’s a patriot loves America. Its not hate its football. And he is good not great. If a qb has zero hope of ever getting us to SB yet takes up 17% of cap its time ti move in. I’d rather have a Case who is not perfect but can move you thru playoffs. Or a draftee for much less money.

Imagine how much money his salary could buy in oline! Same with Cook he’s great but not worth money.

Winning teams: Have mobile QBs with off the shelf RBs and way better oline, can fling the ball.

Vikings: Have all their money in old school football QB and RB, try to run to wins and occasionally let QB throw them to wins. Outdated style. Look at KC and Browns and GB.

We are way outdated yet have 2 great wrs being wasted.

Imagine Mahommes with Cook, JJ, Adam, Irv and Rudy. Wow, they would be unstoppable.

[OkieDokie]

Kirks cap hit next 2 seasons, keep in mind team caps are going down due to lost viewers. Why on Gods green earth did we do this?

Cousins: $76M