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Post by millardaholic on Oct 15, 2020 21:47:40 GMT -6
That is an excellent question. I don't have an answer for you. I do know if Trump loses this election we are going to see a lot of change in this country and not for the better. My hope is Trump wins and we see a whole lot of good change. How do we get there? This country is so divided right now, my memory can never remember a worse division. I have also never seen a sitting POTUS under attack daily by the msm and social media like Trump. I would be willing to bet that joe average has no idea Trump has been nominated 3x for the NPP. They also have no idea the hundreds of other things he has done for we the people. The MSM wont have it. The only thing that will bring this country together right now is a huge event. Huge. Remember 9/11? Without going into what really happened it brought this country together. For a few months there were no republicans or democrats, it was just the United States. We are going to need something bigger than that and I have this feeling in my gut we are about to get it. I never really was into politics. My train of thought was I am getting bent over by someone, red or blue. Trump is really neither. He is an outsider and with that my only hope for this nation going forward. Dramatic? Yeah. If anyone can bring this country together and make any kind of change, its going to be an outsider...not a career politician. The 1 thing that could bring this country together is crimes against humanity that has been mentioned. True or not it may be the one thing that is repulsive to both those on the right and most of the left. We shall see. Especially with undisputable evidence. I was thinking that I admit. IF that were to happen and all but the truly lost could see, it would unite this country.
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Post by z64rm4j7b on Oct 16, 2020 5:31:23 GMT -6
This IS the swamp. The Bidens aren't the only politicians involved in this sort of behavior. I'm sure there are Republicans and Democrats profiting off their political influence.
Which is why Democrats and some Republicans hate Trump. This is his mission. DRAIN THE SWAMP!
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Post by SmokedPears on Oct 16, 2020 7:56:00 GMT -6
How long before this computer guy is suicided?
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Post by SmokedPears on Oct 16, 2020 8:05:03 GMT -6
The 1 thing that could bring this country together is crimes against humanity that has been mentioned. True or not it may be the one thing that is repulsive to both those on the right and most of the left. We shall see. Especially with undisputable evidence. I was thinking that I admit. IF that were to happen and all but the truly lost could see, it would unite this country. I don't think even that would do it. It might in the short term but it wouldn't be long before we are right back where we are. Schools need to change and the culture needs to change. It won't happen over night either. Schools have to get back to teaching students how to think, not what to think. They need to bring discipline back. The entitlement culture needs to be done away with. The need for affirmation needs to be replaced with truth and fact. Honesty and integrity are gone. Liberty is being traded for "security". Ironically, that security is imprisoning us. If any of this happens without a war, it will be the first time in history.
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Post by Movikx on Oct 16, 2020 9:04:51 GMT -6
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Post by angryguy77 on Oct 16, 2020 9:46:29 GMT -6
I suspect there are not emails just incriminating against the Biden's. I bet there are some real big fish on there and it's possible there's a much bigger story about to drop.
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Post by SmokedPears on Oct 16, 2020 9:47:07 GMT -6
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Post by snotbubbles on Oct 16, 2020 9:51:58 GMT -6
Well Hunter and old Joe may be going away....to a Federal prison if there is any real justice in this country anymore. There is NO justice in the legal system. If you cant afford to play the game, you are doing time, if you can, the media censors itself to save your ass. Politics aside, its a rich mans vote that matters...
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Post by kjun09 on Oct 16, 2020 10:59:47 GMT -6
I just hope it explodes and sticks. As for HRC winning? I could not imagine the state of this country. It scares me to think about it. It scares me worse if Biden were to win because the only difference between the two is Hillary has a bigger d*ck. Then even if Trump wins, what happens in 4 years? Are we going to have his socialist, deepstate garbage hanging over our heads forever more? My opinion is based on my experience here in Hawaii. I really think in a lot of ways people will need to experience the whole socialist concept and Government control to start to realize it may not be grand as they believe. Hawaii is as blue a state as it gets. We rarely even have any Republican challengers its so bad. But I get the sense we may see a slight shift this election cycle. The state has been poorly run for years but Covid and the lockdowns took it to a whole new level. The restrictions got so bad that they made it "illegal" to visit with someone outside of my household (even if family). It was literally against the rules for my adult daughter to visit. When they were gracious enough to open the beaches again, you could only go alone. A mother could get a $5000 fine for taking her 4 year old to the beach. I don't have the current numbers but over 10,000 citations were issued between 1 Mar and 30 June. Bars are still closed, restaurants recently were allowed to open again with limited seating. And they finally implemented a testing program to allow people with a negative Covid test to bypass the 14 day quarantine that has been in effect since this started. The economy here is devastated with so many businesses lost for good. Unemployment distribution was a disaster with excessive delays and some still waiting. Crime is thought the roof, homeless populations increasing, and we are having food distribution lines. Its almost surreal. In the beginning it was disappointing to see how so many were afraid, supported the lockdowns, willing gave up their freedoms, and looked to the Government for help. But given the Government failures, you can see people finally starting to get frustrated. The current front runner for Mayor is a non-career politician. He is non-partisan but a Trump supporter and as close to conservative as you can get in Hawaii. His opponent is a Democrat. He too is a non-career politician himself, but his family is fully embedded in politics. So while he is new, his ideas and connections aren't. That's a good indication of a possible shift. Then I've seen more Trump signs, flags, rallies here this time which is surprising. I'm not naive enough to think Trump can take Hawaii, but I am curious to see if the results will be closer than last time where it was 63%-30% Clinton. Bottom line, the people here have gotten a taste of Government control. Hopefully they didn't like it and move away from the grand socialist ideas.
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Post by SmokedPears on Oct 16, 2020 11:16:20 GMT -6
Then even if Trump wins, what happens in 4 years? Are we going to have his socialist, deepstate garbage hanging over our heads forever more? My opinion is based on my experience here in Hawaii. I really think in a lot of ways people will need to experience the whole socialist concept and Government control to start to realize it may not be grand as they believe. Hawaii is as blue a state as it gets. We rarely even have any Republican challengers its so bad. But I get the sense we may see a slight shift this election cycle. The state has been poorly run for years but Covid and the lockdowns took it to a whole new level. The restrictions got so bad that they made it "illegal" to visit with someone outside of my household (even if family). It was literally against the rules for my adult daughter to visit. When they were gracious enough to open the beaches again, you could only go alone. A mother could get a $5000 fine for taking her 4 year old to the beach. I don't have the current numbers but over 10,000 citations were issued between 1 Mar and 30 June. Bars are still closed, restaurants recently were allowed to open again with limited seating. And they finally implemented a testing program to allow people with a negative Covid test to bypass the 14 day quarantine that has been in effect since this started. The economy here is devastated with so many businesses lost for good. Unemployment distribution was a disaster with excessive delays and some still waiting. Crime is thought the roof, homeless populations increasing, and we are having food distribution lines. Its almost surreal. In the beginning it was disappointing to see how so many were afraid, supported the lockdowns, willing gave up their freedoms, and looked to the Government for help. But given the Government failures, you can see people finally starting to get frustrated. The current front runner for Mayor is a non-career politician. He is non-partisan but a Trump supporter and as close to conservative as you can get in Hawaii. His opponent is a Democrat. He too is a non-career politician himself, but his family is fully embedded in politics. So while he is new, his ideas and connections aren't. That's a good indication of a possible shift. Then I've seen more Trump signs, flags, rallies here this time which is surprising. I'm not naive enough to think Trump can take Hawaii, but I am curious to see if the results will be closer than last time where it was 63%-30% Clinton. Bottom line, the people here have gotten a taste of Government control. Hopefully they didn't like it and move away from the grand socialist ideas. The consequences of Socialism are well known. It's really too bad people don't seem to learn from others mistakes. Maybe Hawaii can avoid a bigger pain...
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Post by OkieDokie on Oct 16, 2020 11:17:47 GMT -6
Then even if Trump wins, what happens in 4 years? Are we going to have his socialist, deepstate garbage hanging over our heads forever more? My opinion is based on my experience here in Hawaii. I really think in a lot of ways people will need to experience the whole socialist concept and Government control to start to realize it may not be grand as they believe. Hawaii is as blue a state as it gets. We rarely even have any Republican challengers its so bad. But I get the sense we may see a slight shift this election cycle. The state has been poorly run for years but Covid and the lockdowns took it to a whole new level. The restrictions got so bad that they made it "illegal" to visit with someone outside of my household (even if family). It was literally against the rules for my adult daughter to visit. When they were gracious enough to open the beaches again, you could only go alone. A mother could get a $5000 fine for taking her 4 year old to the beach. I don't have the current numbers but over 10,000 citations were issued between 1 Mar and 30 June. Bars are still closed, restaurants recently were allowed to open again with limited seating. And they finally implemented a testing program to allow people with a negative Covid test to bypass the 14 day quarantine that has been in effect since this started. The economy here is devastated with so many businesses lost for good. Unemployment distribution was a disaster with excessive delays and some still waiting. Crime is thought the roof, homeless populations increasing, and we are having food distribution lines. Its almost surreal. In the beginning it was disappointing to see how so many were afraid, supported the lockdowns, willing gave up their freedoms, and looked to the Government for help. But given the Government failures, you can see people finally starting to get frustrated. The current front runner for Mayor is a non-career politician. He is non-partisan but a Trump supporter and as close to conservative as you can get in Hawaii. His opponent is a Democrat. He too is a non-career politician himself, but his family is fully embedded in politics. So while he is new, his ideas and connections aren't. That's a good indication of a possible shift. Then I've seen more Trump signs, flags, rallies here this time which is surprising. I'm not naive enough to think Trump can take Hawaii, but I am curious to see if the results will be closer than last time where it was 63%-30% Clinton. Bottom line, the people here have gotten a taste of Government control. Hopefully they didn't like it and move away from the grand socialist ideas. Thanks for the great post. We can only hope. Full circle happens. Cali used to be blue then red now blue but is changing back to red (not enough to win Potus but some ripple down Pubs will get in office). Have faith it gets better and be safe out there. So glad I live in a red state
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Post by kjun09 on Oct 16, 2020 11:27:32 GMT -6
My opinion is based on my experience here in Hawaii. I really think in a lot of ways people will need to experience the whole socialist concept and Government control to start to realize it may not be grand as they believe. Hawaii is as blue a state as it gets. We rarely even have any Republican challengers its so bad. But I get the sense we may see a slight shift this election cycle. The state has been poorly run for years but Covid and the lockdowns took it to a whole new level. The restrictions got so bad that they made it "illegal" to visit with someone outside of my household (even if family). It was literally against the rules for my adult daughter to visit. When they were gracious enough to open the beaches again, you could only go alone. A mother could get a $5000 fine for taking her 4 year old to the beach. I don't have the current numbers but over 10,000 citations were issued between 1 Mar and 30 June. Bars are still closed, restaurants recently were allowed to open again with limited seating. And they finally implemented a testing program to allow people with a negative Covid test to bypass the 14 day quarantine that has been in effect since this started. The economy here is devastated with so many businesses lost for good. Unemployment distribution was a disaster with excessive delays and some still waiting. Crime is thought the roof, homeless populations increasing, and we are having food distribution lines. Its almost surreal. In the beginning it was disappointing to see how so many were afraid, supported the lockdowns, willing gave up their freedoms, and looked to the Government for help. But given the Government failures, you can see people finally starting to get frustrated. The current front runner for Mayor is a non-career politician. He is non-partisan but a Trump supporter and as close to conservative as you can get in Hawaii. His opponent is a Democrat. He too is a non-career politician himself, but his family is fully embedded in politics. So while he is new, his ideas and connections aren't. That's a good indication of a possible shift. Then I've seen more Trump signs, flags, rallies here this time which is surprising. I'm not naive enough to think Trump can take Hawaii, but I am curious to see if the results will be closer than last time where it was 63%-30% Clinton. Bottom line, the people here have gotten a taste of Government control. Hopefully they didn't like it and move away from the grand socialist ideas. Thanks for the great post. We can only hope. Full circle happens. Cali used to be blue then red now blue but is changing back to red (not enough to win Potus but some ripple down Pubs will get in office). Have faith it gets better and be safe out there. So glad I live in a red state As much as I love the islands I’ve started looking at the possibility of moving to the mainland. Likely Florida. My daughter moved there earlier this year and at least I could still be near the ocean.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Oct 16, 2020 11:31:42 GMT -6
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Post by angryguy77 on Oct 16, 2020 11:56:03 GMT -6
You know what conversation I'd like to hear right now more than anything? The one between Joe and Hunter.
"you left your laptop where?............."
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Post by angryguy77 on Oct 16, 2020 12:20:10 GMT -6
no idea if this is true...........
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