greylock
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Post by greylock on Sept 20, 2020 14:51:21 GMT -6
Did Zimmer actually say in his post game presser when asked about Cousins game that he had to look at the tape? Good god Mike cant you see he stuck up the place.
Will this team EVER learn to play pass coverage? Even Rhodes had a pass breakup today. They just let the receiver catch the ball and concentrate on not giving up YAC. Hughes and Hill absolutely stink in coverage, with Hughes earning the label bust in his 3rd year. It was pretty obvious early on why Samia has not earned a starting job on an atrocious line. Thought for awhile they had resigned Matt turnstile Kalil and put him in at right guard.
What can you say about the offense? Was it Cousins or the almighty Kubiak that sucked today? Enough blame for both of them. The team may not need to tank for a top quarterback because they may get a top pick without even trying for it. But then would Rick actually know what to do with a top pick if it hit him in on the forehead. Most likely trade down for quantity instead of doing something he never does and take quality over quantity. Two games so far into the season and somebody forgot to tell them there is no preseason game played this season, they all count.
Now the apologists will come out and say "its still early in the season and this loss isn't really that big of a deal". It takes time to gel with a new offensive coordinator and new defensive coordinators. It fit right into Zimmers plan, make coaching changes during the off season so he has a built in excuse for the failure of the team to show up for early season games.
It's time for the heat to get turned up on Mike and Rick for putting this team together. They have guys on the roster that don't deserve a spot and are just dead weight. But we will hear the same old shit this week. "We have to execute better" or "We need to learn from this game". It would be a first if we heard "We got outcoached this week" or "we stink".
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Post by Norse on Sept 20, 2020 16:25:31 GMT -6
I was never a fan of extending Cousins, Rick or Zimmer. We're paying to much for to little production. I guess we will see how the season plays out.
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skol61
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Post by skol61 on Sept 20, 2020 16:38:55 GMT -6
I know I'm , but Everson got the only sack for Dallas today. Also saw a tweet of him celebrating the onside kick. I miss his energy...
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Purp1eOne
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Post by Purp1eOne on Sept 20, 2020 17:57:24 GMT -6
Not defending Kirk's game at all today. But I will say I am not surprised the people bashing him for this game are the same people who don't say shit when he plays well. A bad game doesn't take away what he did last year. The defense is by far the biggest problem along with the oline but it's easy to tag on Kirk.
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Post by royalpurple on Sept 20, 2020 18:01:45 GMT -6
Not defending Kirk's game at all today. But I will say I am not surprised the people bashing him for this game are the same people who don't say shit when he plays well. A bad game doesn't take away what he did last year. The defense is by far the biggest problem along with the oline but it's easy to tag on Kirk. It really all boils down to Rick still not having a blueprint to building a team. What is his plan?
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OkieDokie
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Jarl (22,857)
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Post by OkieDokie on Sept 20, 2020 18:44:47 GMT -6
Not defending Kirk's game at all today. But I will say I am not surprised the people bashing him for this game are the same people who don't say shit when he plays well. A bad game doesn't take away what he did last year. The defense is by far the biggest problem along with the oline but it's easy to tag on Kirk. He feasts on beating bad teams look at w-l vs them last year.
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Jarl (15,635)
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Post by Purp1eOne on Sept 20, 2020 18:48:56 GMT -6
Not defending Kirk's game at all today. But I will say I am not surprised the people bashing him for this game are the same people who don't say shit when he plays well. A bad game doesn't take away what he did last year. The defense is by far the biggest problem along with the oline but it's easy to tag on Kirk. It really all boils down to Rick still not having a blueprint to building a team. What is his plan? Not sure his plan but it should be like and others have said many times winning teams are good in the trenches and the Vikings trenches suck.
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Jarl (15,635)
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Post by Purp1eOne on Sept 20, 2020 18:52:56 GMT -6
Not defending Kirk's game at all today. But I will say I am not surprised the people bashing him for this game are the same people who don't say shit when he plays well. A bad game doesn't take away what he did last year. The defense is by far the biggest problem along with the oline but it's easy to tag on Kirk. He feasts on beating bad teams look at w-l vs them last year. Don't most decent QBs feast on bad teams? He proved he could win a big game last at the taints in the playoffs now he just needs to do it more often but with this shitty defense that most seem willing to overlook just to bash on Kirk, along with the shitty oline that didn't improve with Samia at all and may have actually been worse than the elf version, how many QBs would be much better?
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Sept 20, 2020 19:17:29 GMT -6
He feasts on beating bad teams look at w-l vs them last year. Don't most decent QBs feast on bad teams? He proved he could win a big game last at the taints in the playoffs now he just needs to do it more often but with this shitty defense that most seem willing to overlook just to bash on Kirk, along with the shitty oline that didn't improve with Samia at all and may have actually been worse than the elf version, how many QBs would be much better? I did not watch game only followed on twitter. From what I read Samia did great first series then ok for a few more and then awful for the rest. Its his first ever meaningful start so I give him a bit of pass and its why we need to play him and find out what we have. I personally wanted one of the other 3 OU linemen in the draft and we moved down to get Dru. We had OLine sitting there in draft and passed. Time will tell and I’m sure most struggle in first few starts vs a top 5 DLineman. Kirk however has had 2 teams, multiple coaches and multiple players, and if all he can ever do is get us 1 win in playoffs thats not matching his huge contract. He is paid top 5 and producing bottom 10. This year producing bottom 1 of 32 teams. Yes, our GM and coach suck donkey dicks. But I see qbs make stuff happen all the time but not Kirk. Here, look at this for proof how he feasts on bad but just as important sucks vs good. Our goal is to win SB, not have a qb who can win a random playoff game and thats it. Too many games we see him fold. He needs a perfect situation and he’ll never have that here or anywhere. Every team has flaws and good qbs overcome. How many OC’s has Kirk had in NFL. The light will never shine brightly
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Drengr (1,000)
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Post by Norse on Sept 20, 2020 19:26:35 GMT -6
Not defending Kirk's game at all today. But I will say I am not surprised the people bashing him for this game are the same people who don't say shit when he plays well. A bad game doesn't take away what he did last year. The defense is by far the biggest problem along with the oline but it's easy to tag on Kirk. P1 there is lots messed up....Zimmer wants to be a run only team. So we pay a QB with a big arm lots of money. But fail to invest anything in the offensive Line,except table scraps. I read somewhere that we are around the bottom of the barrel in investing money for decent offensive linemen. kirk is also some of the problem...He has his good days and bad days.
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torr
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Post by torr on Sept 20, 2020 20:40:46 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of bashing anyone, for the most part.. but it is what it is.. Out of current active starting quarterbacks in the NFL, Kirk sits at #31 out of 32 quarterbacks Kirk Sucks
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Post by vikingfan52 on Sept 21, 2020 5:13:26 GMT -6
I was never a fan of extending Cousins, Rick or Zimmer. We're paying to much for to little production. I guess we will see how the season plays out. I have seen the light.,,,,it's before my eyes. I am so slow. i have always felt i am more optimist than pessimist, maybe just needed to look at realist..... i was ok with signing cousins, didn’t like the money, the cap hit, but today you will pay at QBs. Bree’s, Dak,Rivers,wentz, Mahomes, Ryan.stafford, to name just a few, There are very few cheap QBs outside of rookies, or wanna bee hopefuls. I was always fine with Zimmer and RS....wasn’t upset at the extensions. but all has changed. Am I now a pessimist or am I a realist. imo. Time for Zimmer and RS to go, will change bring us a championship, or make us any better, maybe not, look at Detroit. Cleveland another. Maybe they turned it around after a dozen or more changes... but we are seeing no change for the better here... I told my wife I don’t mind losing so much. But be competitive, play with heart, like you want to win. The cowboys did, panthers tried fell short. Time for change, I will not say tank for Lawrence or a top pick. Sad is we lost that high second if we do,...especially I’d we don’t resign the pick. time to move on from Zimmerman, RS, Cousins. i am not saying tank the season.., they probably don’t have to to accomplish that feat. With Zimmerman and staff are we going anywhere.
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Jarl (15,635)
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Post by Purp1eOne on Sept 21, 2020 7:27:34 GMT -6
Don't most decent QBs feast on bad teams? He proved he could win a big game last at the taints in the playoffs now he just needs to do it more often but with this shitty defense that most seem willing to overlook just to bash on Kirk, along with the shitty oline that didn't improve with Samia at all and may have actually been worse than the elf version, how many QBs would be much better? I did not watch game only followed on twitter. From what I read Samia did great first series then ok for a few more and then awful for the rest. Its his first ever meaningful start so I give him a bit of pass and its why we need to play him and find out what we have. I personally wanted one of the other 3 OU linemen in the draft and we moved down to get Dru. We had OLine sitting there in draft and passed. Time will tell and I’m sure most struggle in first few starts vs a top 5 DLineman. Kirk however has had 2 teams, multiple coaches and multiple players, and if all he can ever do is get us 1 win in playoffs thats not matching his huge contract. He is paid top 5 and producing bottom 10. This year producing bottom 1 of 32 teams. Yes, our GM and coach suck donkey dicks. But I see qbs make stuff happen all the time but not Kirk. Here, look at this for proof how he feasts on bad but just as important sucks vs good. Our goal is to win SB, not have a qb who can win a random playoff game and thats it. Too many games we see him fold. He needs a perfect situation and he’ll never have that here or anywhere. Every team has flaws and good qbs overcome. How many OC’s has Kirk had in NFL. The light will never shine brightly Not going to debate too much because I really don't give a shit this year so I will just repeat basically what I have said. Kirk is capable of winning but not going to carry a team, still a top ten QB in my book and the salary argument is already shot because what he makes is already pushed out of the top 5 I believe which is what it should be. He is better than the QB from the 9ers and they went to the dance last year, can't believe the journeyman Case is even in the discussion considering what he is doing right now. The stats you show are team stats wins/losses and just to show how bogus those are to a point, last year Kirk didn't hardly throw a pass and they blew out the falcons so should that one count that he "feasted" and in Seattle Kirk had a pretty good game, his int bounced off the hands of Diggs which surely wasn't Kirk's fault but counted against him, got jobbed by the refs and the D shit the bed again but it was Kirk's fault because the last drive play call sucked and the Oline got blown up.... got it. I have to say also I am disappointed in the tweets and comments I saw about Samia, I was hoping like all of us and surely didn't expect him to get thrown around like he did ala Elf so while he may still need game time experience to learn the offense better his physicality seems to be lacking which can't really be taught. Just an extension of the trench problem Rick has created. It is what it is, the team sucks haven't watched any games but for a few highlights and they are doing nothing to change my mind so it will be a stress free football season for me.
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OkieDokie
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Jarl (22,857)
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Post by OkieDokie on Sept 21, 2020 12:29:29 GMT -6
Great analysis
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OkieDokie
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Jarl (22,857)
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Post by OkieDokie on Sept 21, 2020 12:31:10 GMT -6
First game lets see if he can improve over future games
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