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Post by angryguy77 on Jul 28, 2020 9:07:41 GMT -6
You won't convince a man questioning the safety of a drug that has had a good track record for over 50 years.
Leftist hate for trump dictates what their truth is.
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Post by SmokedPears on Jul 28, 2020 9:31:57 GMT -6
You won't convince a man questioning the safety of a drug that has had a good track record for over 50 years.
Leftist hate for trump dictates what their truth is.
In fairness there are some pretty terrible side effects in some people. HOWEVER, in those cases the patients received high doses for long periods of time. As used against Covid, it's only small doses for short periods of time. Something you will never see reported on CNN or MSNBC China owned and operated "news" sources.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 9:42:20 GMT -6
Four high concerns about the posted study. Highly suspect study in the first link. A cohort study is clearly open to provider bias as they all know who is getting the drug and may just be hoping they are seeing what they are seeing. By their own admission, a double blind study is required to confirm any of their findings. The conflict of interest section of the study is also very revealing. Cox regression portion is interesting and no revelations of any other treatments which may have changed the results. No way to know if hydroxychloroquine was the difference make or if it was dexamethasone or tylenol. That has to be addressed. Why were patients only in their healthcare network included? That question needs to be asked. I will look for some peer review comments or articles about this study. It has been out long enough that there should be some info out there. Good job BTW.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jul 28, 2020 9:42:51 GMT -6
You won't convince a man questioning the safety of a drug that has had a good track record for over 50 years.
Leftist hate for trump dictates what their truth is.
In fairness there are some pretty terrible side effects in some people. HOWEVER, in those cases the patients received high doses for long periods of time. As used against Covid, it's only small doses for short periods of time. Something you will never see reported on CNN or MSNBC China owned and operated "news" sources. There are side effects to every drug. This has been around for decades and we never heard of it being some death med.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 9:46:06 GMT -6
You won't convince a man questioning the safety of a drug that has had a good track record for over 50 years.
Leftist hate for trump dictates what their truth is.
Jeebus jumping bull frogs. Would you stop with that bullshit? Just because you are blinded by hate of all things liberal while accusing others of the same blinding illness, doesn't mean others are not willing to try to learn. Keep on hating, but try to keep it to yourself a little.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 9:51:08 GMT -6
You won't convince a man questioning the safety of a drug that has had a good track record for over 50 years.
Leftist hate for trump dictates what their truth is.
In fairness there are some pretty terrible side effects in some people. HOWEVER, in those cases the patients received high doses for long periods of time. As used against Covid, it's only small doses for short periods of time. Something you will never see reported on CNN or MSNBC China owned and operated "news" sources. It is used with caution in all patients with heart conditions, regardless of dose and treatment length. It should be for covid as well.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 9:53:17 GMT -6
In fairness there are some pretty terrible side effects in some people. HOWEVER, in those cases the patients received high doses for long periods of time. As used against Covid, it's only small doses for short periods of time. Something you will never see reported on CNN or MSNBC China owned and operated "news" sources. There are side effects to every drug. This has been around for decades and we never heard of it being some death med.
You never heard it because you are not in medicine. Care has always been taken in treating those with heart conditions. I have seen this med dc'd many times due to underlying condition that make this drug less safe to take even before covid ever appeared.
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Post by BadgerVol on Jul 28, 2020 9:57:03 GMT -6
www.instagram.com/tv/CDKOIJyAeEV/Probably what many of us expected. This is just a small clip of about 45 minutes where various doctors were saying the same thing. I believe it was at the foot of the capital. Great. Let's see their studies and how they weed out their bias. What, no studies? I'm shocked. I used to pull one leg off a grasshopper, and just as I figured, they all hopped crooked. Science. Take that shit if you want, I never will. My wife is a pathologist and works for Lab Corp one of the major industries hip deep in testing for everything including Covid. You ARE correct that studies (although NEVER fool proof), are needed to rationally justify things like drugs. The problem is studies take control groups, TIME, and repeated results, to establish conclusions based in reason. We don’t have enough time yet, or control groups or repeated results. The options are to sit back and let the world burn, or go to sort of “level two” which is try shit and see if it starts working. If it does, use it to help if you can UNTIL the research is established. So it’s not wrong for you to say studies without bias, and reasonable results are the only way to “know” what works or doesn’t. But others are also right in saying “until then, it’s ok to throw out ideas and if it starts working use it in the meantime.” Some of those things that work might turn out to be “game changers” and they also might not.
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Post by SmokedPears on Jul 28, 2020 10:02:20 GMT -6
In fairness there are some pretty terrible side effects in some people. HOWEVER, in those cases the patients received high doses for long periods of time. As used against Covid, it's only small doses for short periods of time. Something you will never see reported on CNN or MSNBC China owned and operated "news" sources. It is used with caution in all patients with heart conditions, regardless of dose and treatment length. It should be for covid as well. And everybody else?
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Post by angryguy77 on Jul 28, 2020 10:07:38 GMT -6
There are side effects to every drug. This has been around for decades and we never heard of it being some death med.
You never heard it because you are not in medicine. Care has always been taken in treating those with heart conditions. I have seen this med dc'd many times due to underlying condition that make this drug less safe to take even before covid ever appeared. Lets not pretend how this went down. As soon as Trump mentioned it, the media and libs attacked it. The medicine was never given a fair shot as soon as the orange man said it may work.
Let's also not forget that covid was being treated like it was a death sentence if caught, yet people were not being allowed to use it despite not having anything to lose.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 10:10:34 GMT -6
Great. Let's see their studies and how they weed out their bias. What, no studies? I'm shocked. I used to pull one leg off a grasshopper, and just as I figured, they all hopped crooked. Science. Take that shit if you want, I never will. My wife is a pathologist and works for Lab Corp one of the major industries hip deep in testing for everything including Covid. You ARE correct that studies (although NEVER fool proof), are needed to rationally justify things like drugs. The problem is studies take control groups, TIME, and repeated results, to establish conclusions based in reason. We don’t have enough time yet, or control groups or repeated results. The options are to sit back and let the world burn, or go to sort of “level two” which is try shit and see if it starts working. If it does, use it to help if you can UNTIL the research is established. So it’s not wrong for you to say studies without bias, and reasonable results are the only way to “know” what works or doesn’t. But others are also right in saying “until then, it’s ok to throw out ideas and if it starts working use it in the meantime.” Some of those things that work might turn out to be “game changers” and they also might not. The hippocratic oath includes to do no harm. When harm is found in any study it is halted, immediately. Now is not the time to just throw stuff at the walls to see what sticks. That is a desperation move that I hope we never get to, but we could.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 10:11:43 GMT -6
It is used with caution in all patients with heart conditions, regardless of dose and treatment length. It should be for covid as well. And everybody else? Sorry. Not sure what you are asking?
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Post by vikingdan on Jul 28, 2020 10:14:04 GMT -6
Good news....if you get Covid and you don't want hydroxychloroquine you can just say no thanks. You can bet I will be willing to try anything they suggest if I get that sick but you do you...die free.....on your headstone you can proudly proclaim at least you didn't listen to Trump.
"to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." Khan or Melville
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 10:14:54 GMT -6
You never heard it because you are not in medicine. Care has always been taken in treating those with heart conditions. I have seen this med dc'd many times due to underlying condition that make this drug less safe to take even before covid ever appeared. Lets not pretend how this went down. As soon as Trump mentioned it, the media and libs attacked it. The medicine was never given a fair shot as soon as the orange man said it may work.
Let's also not forget that covid was being treated like it was a death sentence if caught, yet people were not being allowed to use it despite not having anything to lose.
Man you really need a mirror. ALL of your posts include peoples hate for Trump and they also include your hate of ALL things liberal. The first thing I did when I heard about hydroxychloroquine as a covid treatment was to research it. There are a lot of things I hate that come from Trump, but not automatically. I think about shit. I don't just blindly hate like some people do.
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Post by kramerhammer on Jul 28, 2020 10:16:17 GMT -6
Good news....if you get Covid and you don't want hydroxychloroquine you can just say no thanks. You can bet I will be willing to try anything they suggest if I get that sick but you do you...die free.....on your headstone you can proudly proclaim at least you didn't listen to Trump. "to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." Khan or Melville So what other treatments are you willing to try that you have heard about?
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