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Post by nodakviking on Jun 8, 2020 19:17:54 GMT -6
Do you meet his demand or near them or let him walk after this year knowing he may hold out.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Jun 8, 2020 19:27:45 GMT -6
Walk
We can get serviceable rbs much less. He is injury prone too
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Post by Purplemachine on Jun 8, 2020 20:01:49 GMT -6
Nay. Offer him a reasonable deal with incentives so if he is injured a lot no $$$$$.
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Post by greylock on Jun 8, 2020 20:45:59 GMT -6
He has a decision to make. He says he is going to hold out unless he gets paid but if he holds out he loses service time towards free agency. Let him play or sit out because he is under contract for this season then let him walk and somebody else pay him.
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Post by OkieDokie on Jun 8, 2020 22:24:35 GMT -6
If we were only missing a great rb to make the SB then pay him. But we are not, this is a rebuilding year in disguise. We got rid of Diggs and an unproven rookie will not replace him which means teams will take away AT. Too many other holes that may or may not pan out from draft. Take 60% of our draft away (likely more) and thats what we have left. All the rest 40% will have to learn on fly with less practice because of overpanic on covid. Cook will get hirt before we ever make a long SB so let him sit now in our hidden rebuilding year. I think we can win a lot of games but I don’t think we can make a SB run. We should be in better shape the following year, and can get rbs. The saved money will buy us other needed positions
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Post by torr on Jun 9, 2020 0:09:16 GMT -6
I'd say pay him. He bailed us out or put us in a good field position so many times that Cousins is counting on him to be there to bail him out now and then.
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BadgerVol
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Post by BadgerVol on Jun 9, 2020 1:21:58 GMT -6
Is it possible to trade him? And if so, what would we get?
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Post by Uncle on Jun 9, 2020 6:23:27 GMT -6
He hasn't proved he's earned a contract worth $13m/yr on average so the answer to the original question is "nay" for me. There's a good article from Will Ragatz in who has more leverage in contract negotiations on the Vikings SI.Insider website ( link) and I agree with his points: Cook has some leverage considering the team built Kubiak's offense around the RB position somewhat, and the season Cook had in 2019 in his first season with Kubiak's offense does prove that out. The flip-side to that coin is that it's entirely possible that RB's with "lesser ability" than Cook can perform adequately enough not to severely hamper the offense (it's basically a 1-cut offense off of the outside zone-blocking in front of them: find the hole down the line, cut and burst through). Ragatz also mentions a clause in the new CBA that gives the Vikings the leverage though: "Under the new CBA, if he were to fail to report to training camp, he would be sacrificing an "accrued season" and would not hit unrestricted free agency in 2021. Instead, he would become a restricted free agent, and the Vikings could simply use a first- or second-round tender on him like they did with linebacker Eric Wilson this offseason. If that were to happen, Cook would still be able to negotiate with other teams. But if a team gave him an offer sheet and the Vikings didn't match it, that team would have to surrender at least a second-round pick. If no team made an offer – which would be a possibility, given the value of early-round picks and the lack of a robust market for running backs – the Vikings would only owe Cook a couple million in 2021. By not showing up to training camp this year, Cook would be risking delaying his payday by a year and perhaps seeing the numbers on a long-term deal go down due to advanced age, as well as potential injury or underperformance. This new element of the CBA means rookie contract players have very little leverage in holding out. Bell sat out all of the 2018 season and then signed a lucrative deal with the Jets the following year, but Cook doesn't have that same freedom."I think that is an interesting point in the new CBA and it really does help the teams more than the player. And with O'Neill in the same position as Cook next offseason, he surely will be an interested party in what the Vikings do with Cook this offseason because it might affect him next offseason as he enters the final year of his rookie deal and is probably just as underpaid as Cook given that he's arguably the best player on the OL. The other point in that new CBA clause that's interesting is what type of return we could get for Cook if we were to trade him this TC/preseason. If we could get back a 1st or 2nd Rd pick next offseason by some other team offering him a contract and the Vikings not meeting it, then that could theoretically drive the price up into that range this offseason meaning that we could say to teams we want at least a 2nd Rd pick considering we'll probably get that in the 2021 offseason anyway. Considering that I'm under the opinion we're going to be closer to an 8-8 type of team in 2020 anyway with all the new faces and a still underperforming OL (in terms of where it needs to be to make deep playoff runs), if Cook doesn't come way down w/ this contract demands then I just let him hold out, roll w/ Mattison, Boone and sign another vet off the heap knowing that we'll get a solid 2021 draft pick when someone else pays for him in March.
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Post by angryguy77 on Jun 9, 2020 8:13:12 GMT -6
Trade him. No more letting these players stomp their feet(looking at you diggs) and become a distraction.
Think what NE would do with a clown at an expendable position would do.......
I know Cook is valuable, but RB's are some of the easiest positions to replace in this modern NFL era.
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Post by americacv66 on Jun 9, 2020 8:35:51 GMT -6
Two words: Melvin Gordon -
Offer him a reasonable deal, 4 years / 40 million, take it or leave it. Let him hold out and miss a year of service and the Vikings still retain his rights. Then I franchise tag him for 2 years and after that his best days are behind him and someone else can overpay him. This is the Melvin Gordon situation playing itself over. He thinks more highly of himself than he really is to the NFL.
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Post by Uncle on Jun 9, 2020 10:11:25 GMT -6
Per Chad Graff at The Athletic:
Chad Graff @chadgraff Dalvin Cook isn’t asking for Zeke/McCaffrey money but something more like David Johnson: ~$13M. Vikings offering more like Melvin Gordon ($8M per year) money.
This is where Cook's "sour" feelings are coming from - the gap in the annual salary and that the Vikings aren't offering a Top 5 level contract.
Again though, the Vikings have the majority of the leverage considering the Viking's aren't exactly super "thin" behind Cook, Kubiak has had success with "lesser" RB's is his outsize zone blocking in the past and the new CBA rule where holdouts don't hit the open market as UFA.
The Vikings can play the waiting game all day until next offseason while Cook's $1.3m salary for 2020 will be taking dents every day he holds out.
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Post by vikingfan52 on Jun 9, 2020 14:50:31 GMT -6
If we were only missing a great rb to make the SB then pay him. But we are not, this is a rebuilding year in disguise. We got rid of Diggs and an unproven rookie will not replace him which means teams will take away AT. Too many other holes that may or may not pan out from draft. Take 60% of our draft away (likely more) and thats what we have left. All the rest 40% will have to learn on fly with less practice because of overpanic on covid. Cook will get hirt before we ever make a long SB so let him sit now in our hidden rebuilding year. I think we can win a lot of games but I don’t think we can make a SB run. We should be in better shape the following year, and can get rbs. The saved money will buy us other needed positions Not disagreeing except I think Jefferson will star. I agree we are more in a rebuild than many think or will admit, let him, walk. He is more likely to be injured than not
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Post by OkieDokie on Jun 9, 2020 15:22:58 GMT -6
If we were only missing a great rb to make the SB then pay him. But we are not, this is a rebuilding year in disguise. We got rid of Diggs and an unproven rookie will not replace him which means teams will take away AT. Too many other holes that may or may not pan out from draft. Take 60% of our draft away (likely more) and thats what we have left. All the rest 40% will have to learn on fly with less practice because of overpanic on covid. Cook will get hirt before we ever make a long SB so let him sit now in our hidden rebuilding year. I think we can win a lot of games but I don’t think we can make a SB run. We should be in better shape the following year, and can get rbs. The saved money will buy us other needed positions Not disagreeing except I think Jefferson will star. I agree we are more in a rebuild than many think or will admit, let him, walk. He is more likely to be injured than not I think he’ll be a good wr but not good enough fast enough to make a splash this year. Next year possibly
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Post by vikingfan52 on Jun 10, 2020 5:23:58 GMT -6
Not disagreeing except I think Jefferson will star. I agree we are more in a rebuild than many think or will admit, let him, walk. He is more likely to be injured than not I think he’ll be a good wr but not good enough fast enough to make a splash this year. Next year possibly You may be right. I know wrs also can take a little longer to Star.. just a feeling. better a year than another treadwell
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Post by cavehills on Jun 10, 2020 6:56:31 GMT -6
I'd offer him $32 million for a 4 year deal with incentives; so if he gets hurt (which he has yet not played 16 full games); in other words; take it or leave it type contract. As said," RB's are a dime a dozen any more".
There will be some very good RB's that will not quite make the 53 man rooster this coming season that would be ecstatic to jump on that deal just to play.
Cook has not proven to be even worth close to $13 million a year; let alone $16 million.
So my vote is; let him walk....
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