Norseman
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Post by Norseman on May 28, 2020 0:13:41 GMT -6
This whole situation is just awful. Part of me wishes that all involved were of the same ethnicity so that it would not be a factor. Maybe it was. I don't know. It appears that a cop killed a guy either because of gross stupidity, evil motives or something in between. I'll let the jury decide. I don't envy the jurors. All that said, the video evidence suggests that four guys should be behind bars yesterday. Are these guys out there roaming the streets right now?
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Norseman
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Post by Norseman on May 28, 2020 0:16:11 GMT -6
I am pro life ... and therefore anti-death penalty. He should be given the death penalty. No question his intent was to murder. I hope the feds bring a hate crime and murder charge. The look on that cop's face throughout the entire video haunts me. It bordered on lifeless. Like there was no soul in there.
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Post by vikingfan52 on May 28, 2020 4:57:15 GMT -6
I don't think murder is the crime, manslaughter for sure. Negligence/incompetence yes-the officers intent and reason for force come into play trying to get a murder charge. I hate to make any more assumptions until I see more than what I've seen, it appears his partner was black/minority so hard to see an overt racist intent. I also know this will probably not be well received but once again why resist? He could get taken in, booked, and released probably within a matter of hours or at most a few days in the current climate. It sure sounds like it wasn't his first go round in the system. Yes I know it's no excuse for the pinning of the neck which was way wrong but the fact remains if he's cooperative he's alive and likely back home already. Now with an election just over 5 months away and COVID in remission this is going to be the new focus. Deja Vu all over again, this will be the first in a rash of similar stories I'm sure. Manslaughter was the charge I was thinking, and could only think of murder
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 28, 2020 6:56:43 GMT -6
I am pro life ... and therefore anti-death penalty. He should be given the death penalty. No question his intent was to murder. I hope the feds bring a hate crime and murder charge. The look on that cop's face throughout the entire video haunts me. It bordered on lifeless. Like there was no soul in there. something snapped in that cop, it will never excuse his actions, but I really want to know what led up to the point that the video started that led to the other cops not intervening.
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mjollnir
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Post by mjollnir on May 28, 2020 7:46:51 GMT -6
So a cop was killed today in Grand Forks. Are we allowed to riot and loot? Just asking for a concerned group?
Yes these cops need to face justice. But I am concerned how blind these people are to the larger percentage of crimes on themselves. But then that does not fit the agenda of being suppressed and victim hood.
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Post by Purplemachine on May 28, 2020 8:51:06 GMT -6
On Fox this morning.
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Post by eternalpurple on May 28, 2020 9:04:06 GMT -6
So a cop was killed today in Grand Forks. Are we allowed to riot and loot? Just asking for a concerned group? Yes these cops need to face justice. But I am concerned how blind these people are to the larger percentage of crimes on themselves. But then that does not fit the agenda of being suppressed and victim hood. Yep. What the police need to do is arrest all the white anarchist. That would at least cut the numbers down by half.
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 28, 2020 9:04:16 GMT -6
So a cop was killed today in Grand Forks. Are we allowed to riot and loot? Just asking for a concerned group? Yes these cops need to face justice. But I am concerned how blind these people are to the larger percentage of crimes on themselves. But then that does not fit the agenda of being suppressed and victim hood. was the offender of a different skin color? if yes, then yes... see every race riot in the last ... how many years if no, then no....see every weekend in Chicago.
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Post by angryguy77 on May 28, 2020 9:34:30 GMT -6
All 4 of the officers should have been held in jail. That is what would've happened to anyone else who were caught on camera doing what they did.
Just firing them until the investigation is done tells the public there is a different set of rules for the police.
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 28, 2020 9:49:10 GMT -6
All 4 of the officers should have been held in jail. That is what would've happened to anyone else who were caught on camera doing what they did. Just firing them until the investigation is done tells the public there is a different set of rules for the police. they should have been charged immediately for something that is covered by the video evidence, that would get them held until the more serious offenses are vetted through investigation. i want to know what the body cams and squad car cams will show as far as what the other 2 cops were doing during all this.
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Post by nodakviking on May 28, 2020 10:19:33 GMT -6
The look on that cop's face throughout the entire video haunts me. It bordered on lifeless. Like there was no soul in there. something snapped in that cop, it will never excuse his actions, but I really want to know what led up to the point that the video started that led to the other cops not intervening. Me too. I mean it was reported as a forgery attempt correct. That hardly warrants 4 officers, and even so with a cooperative person it should be a simple process to cuff the person and put them in a car. I always hate to knee jerk not having all the information. There isn't even a coroners report yet to support the assumption he died from the knee on the neck, rather than possibly a heart condition or something else. That said there should never be a knee on the neck, especially when he is already cuffed. The rioting undermines the cause and the attacking of police isn't going to lead to an improvement in relations they are looking for.
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Post by nodakviking on May 28, 2020 10:38:11 GMT -6
Hypothetically if a person was committing a crime and you attempted to subdue them until police arrived and did so by kneeling on the persons neck I don't think it's a forgone conclusion you would be immediately jailed when that person ended up dying. I think they would get the coroners report and review what lead up to the death before charging you. It's not like he randomly beat and killed the guy he was responding to a crime and his resistance likely lead to the situation where he was pinned to the ground.
It's a bad deal but the reaction is knee jerk-justice takes time.
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 28, 2020 11:06:46 GMT -6
Hypothetically if a person was committing a crime and you attempted to subdue them until police arrived and did so by kneeling on the persons neck I don't think it's a forgone conclusion you would be immediately jailed when that person ended up dying. I think they would get the coroners report and review what lead up to the death before charging you. It's not like he randomly beat and killed the guy he was responding to a crime and his resistance likely lead to the situation where he was pinned to the ground. It's a bad deal but the reaction is knee jerk-justice takes time. he should have been immediately jailed based on the immediate release of the video that we have all seen. He had back up in place and the suspect in restrained custody and he still maintained excessive force. I dont go along with a lot of the rolling sentiment, but I dont think after watching that video that the officer in question needs to be behind bars unless there is something really unknown taking place behind the car that we cant see in the video.
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Post by angryguy77 on May 28, 2020 11:15:45 GMT -6
something snapped in that cop, it will never excuse his actions, but I really want to know what led up to the point that the video started that led to the other cops not intervening. Me too. I mean it was reported as a forgery attempt correct. That hardly warrants 4 officers, and even so with a cooperative person it should be a simple process to cuff the person and put them in a car. I always hate to knee jerk not having all the information. There isn't even a coroners report yet to support the assumption he died from the knee on the neck, rather than possibly a heart condition or something else. That said there should never be a knee on the neck, especially when he is already cuffed. The rioting undermines the cause and the attacking of police isn't going to lead to an improvement in relations they are looking for. You're not having a knee-jerk reaction at all. This isn't a case of another camera angle coming to light which will explain things away. Even if the guy was on drugs, there's 4-5 cops and he was cuffed already. Once cuffed, there was 0 danger to the cops or people around.
I still cannot believe they just let those murderers walk. How do you not jail them? I don't condone the riots and have no pity if anyone involved in that gets a beatdown, but letting those cops walk made the situation worse. I do think there would've been a riot regardless, but I don't think the crowd would have been as big.
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JimmyinSD
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Post by JimmyinSD on May 28, 2020 11:35:46 GMT -6
Me too. I mean it was reported as a forgery attempt correct. That hardly warrants 4 officers, and even so with a cooperative person it should be a simple process to cuff the person and put them in a car. I always hate to knee jerk not having all the information. There isn't even a coroners report yet to support the assumption he died from the knee on the neck, rather than possibly a heart condition or something else. That said there should never be a knee on the neck, especially when he is already cuffed. The rioting undermines the cause and the attacking of police isn't going to lead to an improvement in relations they are looking for. You're not having a knee-jerk reaction at all. This isn't a case of another camera angle coming to light which will explain things away. Even if the guy was on drugs, there's 4-5 cops and he was cuffed already. Once cuffed, there was 0 danger to the cops or people around.
I still cannot believe they just let those murderers walk. How do you not jail them? I don't condone the riots and have no pity if anyone involved in that gets a beatdown, but letting those cops walk made the situation worse. I do think there would've been a riot regardless, but I don't think the crowd would have been as big.
how much of the protesting is about the situation vs just being angry over their own situation and having an opportunity to show it? this goes back to BLM, if they really were about showing that black lives matter as much as any other, then why do they only really flare up when it can be racially fueled? if I was part of that group I would have my headquarters in the south side of Chicago and have rallys every weekend in every major high crime area that leads to massive loss of life for the black community. IMO the cop angle is just a convenient one because it generates a lot of emotion. 1 is to many indeed, but how many black people are unjustly killed by cops annually in the US?
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