kjun09
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Post by kjun09 on Apr 11, 2020 16:05:12 GMT -6
If we keep this country closed for 60 more days its going to be so much worse than this virus. If you are at risk, please stay home. This thing needs to make the rounds and go away. We are just slowing things down. I just read that anywhere from 80-85 percent of people testing positive get no symptoms.The hydroxychloroquine is working cocktailed with other drugs very well doctors that I have seen have said. You have a michigan gov banning friends (ok I exaggerate). A complete tool. Mayor yoga pants in LA telling people to snitch. What a complete over reacting shitshow this has been. Doctors being told to fudge the numbers, yes I paraphrase but you cant trust the mortality rates because of it. I am certain of 2 things. 1. There is more going on then they are telling us. 2. If you told people that they would be transported by train to a camp that was safe from the virus they would line up to do it. They would pay to do it. I am seeing how easily we went from land of the free to nazi germany. People are sheep and letting the network news not only scare the hell out of them but control them. It frightens and nauseates me at the same time. Man I couldn’t have said that better. It is so depressing seeing what this country is becoming and people so willing to give up their freedoms without question.
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Post by Purplemachine on Apr 11, 2020 16:09:02 GMT -6
Speaking of that, when I was a grad student at the U we had an office in Walter Library, or the DTC for those a little younger lol. Anyways, I would eat at my desk every day. Well, something like 10,000 people/day passed through the door of the library, so I probably came in contact with a bazillion bugs/viruses. But I don't recall getting sick and after I graduated, my immune system was like steel! Couldn't get me sick, no matter what. That's good immune system exercise. Or sit around and never exercise your immune system and then get sick over any little thing. That’s where hand sanitizer comes in, you use it it kill germs then your immune system don’t need to and the result is a wreaking immune system. I’ve never had a habit of using the crap and I’m about to. I've heard it said that because we use antibacterial soap and hand sanitizer we actually lower our natural response to fight off the day to day things that come at us. But what do I know I'm an instrumentation-electrical technician and not a vilarlogist.
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Norseman
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Post by Norseman on Apr 11, 2020 16:35:01 GMT -6
I worked on a farm when I was a teenager and I'm not sure we even washed out hands before eating lunch. Maybe a quick rinse under the faucet in the yard without soap or those other city luxuries. Never got sick. Later on, I got a few sinus infections and took anti-biotics. Like clockwork, I would have another sinus infection in six months. I finally just skipped the drugs and stayed in bed a day or two. Haven't had a problem since then. I'm right with you guys suggesting that an immune system needs to exercise to be healthy.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Apr 11, 2020 17:46:18 GMT -6
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Apr 11, 2020 17:49:21 GMT -6
In case it gets zapped:
Eight Reasons to End the Lockdowns Now Jonathan Geach, M.D. Jonathan Geach, M.D. Follow Apr 10 · Unlisted We have already flattened the curve We have gone from predictions of millions of deaths, to hundreds of thousands and now we are predicting about 60 thousand deaths. This is with the likely over reporting of death. Dr. Birx admitted the attribution of death to COVID-19 has been liberal (her word). If the death count were limited to deaths directly caused by COVID-19, it would likely be even lower than this.
The most effective time for social distancing is early in a pandemic. Lockdowns also slow the development of herd immunity, which helps a society move past the virus. We can still practice good hand hygiene, wear masks in public, and continue social distancing for the elderly and high risk, while we develop protective herd immunity for those most at risk. By the time the lockdowns began, COVID-19 had already been seeded in the US for months, limiting the effectiveness of the lockdowns in the first place as the virus was already widespread. Economic collapse and unemployment are destroying families Each day the shutdown continues, we are losing approximately one million jobs, as evidenced by 16.5 million initial weekly jobless claims in three weeks (since March 26). Many of these lost jobs will never return. If the lockdowns continue through April (essentially, a best-case scenario), we’ll be lucky if job losses are limited to 25 million. Many people see 6.6 million people as just a number , as Len Kieffer put it, it is the size of the state of Missouri. Twenty five million is almost the size of the state of Texas!
The 16.5 million jobs lost thus far are only counting people who have filed jobless claims that were processed through April 8, 2020; it’s likely that the real number is quite a bit higher than this. In addition, there are millions of people not-technically-unemployed who have seen their incomes plummet. One example would be so-called gig workers, such as Uber and Lyft drivers. It’s almost certain that realtors are suffering the same fate. We have not overburdened the health care system.
Our Although, the ER and ICU capacity has increased in many locations, overall healthcare system capacity has decreased dramatically, as all non-COVID and non-emergent care is being neglected. This has led to layoffs of healthcare workers and delays in care for countless patients, which will result in a range of negative consequences. Assuming the need for healthcare services has remained constant while availability of such services has plummeted, countless patients are not receiving the care they need in a timely manner. In medicine, timing is of the essence, so even receiving the same exact in the future comes at a price. Many important services are being delayed: blood donations, organ donations, screening colonoscopies, and many other elective procedures. It is very important to note that elective medical care is not useless medical care; rather, it’s simply meaningful and necessary medical care that is scheduled in advance and not performed on an emergency basis. Suicide may kill almost as many people as COVID-19 this year. In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides. Economic ruin results in a wide range of health problems, suicide, mental health issues, loss of health insurance, reluctance to visit doctors in light of financial hardship, and increases in substance abuse. This is on top of the delay in non-COVID care. The mortality was overestimated The IHME model, as well as Dr. Fauci have recently decreased the likely deaths from this pandemic to around 60,000 from earlier estimates of 1–2 million.The early reports of 3–4% case fatality rate (CFR) are likely misleading. The numbers miss those who are asymptomatic or recovered at home without seeking testing. What we really need to know is the infection mortality rate (IFR). Fortunately we have some good clues. Looking at the data from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the infection fatality rate on the cruise ship was 1%. However, the average age of people on the cruise ship was much higher than the age of the average American. When you adjust for the differences in age between the cruise ship and America, you see that the IFR should be about 0.1%. There was a recent study out of Germany in the city of Gangelt where they tested 80% of the population, the IFR there was about 0.37%. The way we are testing now, we cannot know how many people have been infected with COVID-19 since we are missing those who had the disease and recovered. Antibody testing is needed to know the true number of people who have been infected. There is a good chance this number is well above 10 million, which drives the IFR down even further. Children are at almost no risk from this disease. The CDC estimates 37 to 187 children die every year, not from Covid-19, from the flu. This year we have lost 105 children from the flu. Yet, we have closed every school in America. Education is vitally important and a whole generation will miss a fourth of this school year. Closing schools also goes a long way towards limiting the development of herd immunity. PPE was limited but is now becoming more available This article is not meant to diminish the pain and horror this disease can bring to those who get it. I am a physician in one of the highest risk specialties for contracting the disease in the hospital. The lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) facing US healthcare workers is unfair and wrong. Yet, as the curve has flattened, it seems more hospitals have found adequate PPE. The CDC estimates a possible second wave would be at least 150 days from the end of the lockdown, possibly this fall. Ending the lockdowns would have no effect on the PPE for the current crisis. We would have plenty of time to prepare for a possible second wave. Authorities should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown Those who want to continue the lockdown indefinitely should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown. There needs to be a clear reliable model that shows how many additional lives will be saved considering we have already flattened the curve and there is essentially no further risk of overwhelming the health care system. The previous models were wrong. The consequences of indefinite lockdown are quite staggering, to the tune of one million jobs lost per day. Jonathan Geach, M.D. Ankur J Patel, M.D. Jason Friday, M.D. Lacy Windham, M.D. Ashkan Attaran, M.D. Jennifer Andjelich, D.N.P.
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Apr 11, 2020 17:55:48 GMT -6
Nibe I haven’t changed anything either... I’ve used hand sanitizer about three times in my life and I bite my nails also.. You realize your immune system is supposed to be able to fight off any virus or bug... Don’t run your immune system down.. Depends on how you look at it, I guess.
I've read that many people who get it have mild symptoms and recover fairly quickly. But some are put on ventilators and that's no bargain. Others unfortunately die. I figure until we get some clarity, me and the trophy wife will hunker down and avoid crowds.
Anyway, stay safe and healthy...
(Not directed at you but highlights how crazy this lockdown is)
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Apr 11, 2020 17:57:49 GMT -6
More soy
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OkieDokie
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Post by OkieDokie on Apr 11, 2020 17:58:52 GMT -6
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Post by OkieDokie on Apr 11, 2020 18:41:30 GMT -6
Trump appointed this judge not long ago! Well done!
“ But when considering the rights guaranteed by the Free Exercise Clause, it doesn’t matter that the government burdening the religious practices of others “consists entirely of the pure-hearted, if the law it enacts in fact singles out a religious practice for special burdens.”
“ At the same time, the Court does not for a moment doubt that for some believers Easter means gathering together, if not hand in hand or shoulder to shoulder, then at least car fender to car fender. “
“ Instead, just as many religions reinforce their faith & their bonds with the faithful through religious assemblies, many Christians take comfort & draw strength from Christ’s promise that ‘ where two or three are gathered together in My name, there am I in the midst of them ‘ “
This Western Kentucky Judge breaks it done like no other.. “ Indeed, as On Fire points out, ‘ the Greek word translated ‘church’ in our English versions of the Christian scriptures is the word ‘ekklesia,’ which literally means ‘assembly.’ ‘ “
GOD’S FREE WORSHIPPERS “ But even under Jacobson, constitutional rights still exist. worship as we choose. The brief history at the outset of this opinion does not even scratch the surface of religious liberty’s importance to our nation’s story, identity, and Constitution. “
On Fire Christian Center’s WIN in restraining order has just open the door for other churches: “ Moreover, if sitting in cars did pose a significant danger of spreading the virus, Louisville would close all drive-throughs and parking lots that are not related to maintaining. “
District Judge goes to the very heart of any order labeling all other businesses essential except for churches. “ Nor is there any evidence that churches are less essential than every other business that is currently allowed to be open – liquor stores among them.
Others do not have to believe in HEALING. I do. “ You do not have to share On Fire’s faith to believe that celebrating that faith while gathered together in praise of the One they believe healed the sick & conquered death will bring hope to many in need of hope this Holy Week. “
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Post by skolognevikings on Apr 12, 2020 0:22:11 GMT -6
Just a few thoughts on this Statement, which i do not disagree in general. They refer to a german case study, thats tells a mortality of 0.37%. It is dangerous to just use this number an simplify this study, as it is not a proven study. This is only one pre-result and there are not enough details known from this study. It may be in that range, but this is not validated now. There is one serious doubt, because the operators of this study used a test from a company that has one other test with very high error-rate as it also tests positive if one has had a normal flu. Then they say that lockdown is most effective at the beginning of an pandemic. How can they know that? Nobody has made a lockdown because of an pandemic, so there can't be evidence to this. This lockdown was able to flatten the curve in Germany an we are debating about the exit from this lockdown maybe next week. That would mean we had this lockdown for about three weeks. There are opinions that argue another week of lockdown must follow. One main reason is that they say, that there can't be a second lockdown in case the pandemic returns. I totally agree to the argument, that there will be a point where economic damage will cause more havoc then Covid-19. But serious: Is anyone able to figure this point out with guarantee? I think no scientist that is worth it to be called a scientist would be able to this. Don't get me wrong: We may have reached this point already but i would tend to have some days of lockdown too much instead of too less. But regardless: There will be no glory in prevention.
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Norseman
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Post by Norseman on Apr 12, 2020 0:34:05 GMT -6
This lockdown is approaching insanity. I now personally know two HEALTHCARE WORKERS who are at risk of losing their jobs because of a healthcare "crisis." WTF!!!!!!! ? I also know a cancer patient who hasn't been able to receive surgery, because we need capacity, in the very hospitals who are cutting staff because they have no revenue. I like Trump, and I hope he'll be re-elected, but he is on extremely thin ice here. His experts (Birk and Fauci) have been wrong on everything. He'll take the heat for this. He may have already lost. Six months from now when the economy is in the toilet and this glorified flu is a joke, he'll take the hit. The facts will come out. We'll have evidence that the majority of these Coronavirus deaths were really due to existing conditions or other conditions that have been mis-attributed to this phantom virus. I hate to say it, but "it's the economy stupid." True twenty plus years ago. True today.
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Norseman
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Post by Norseman on Apr 12, 2020 0:39:12 GMT -6
Just an afterthought. I'll go out on a short limb and suggest that in two week's time (4/25), we'll be having an entirely different discussion. By that point, the liberal media and dems will be attacking Trump for not reopening sooner. Mark your calendars. (I hope I'm wrong). OTOH, if it gets things reopened sooner, maybe I hope I'm right??!!
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Norseman
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Post by Norseman on Apr 12, 2020 1:30:03 GMT -6
More stupidity. I'm now listening to a FOX broadcast suggesting that the trade off is between: a) how many will die from this virus if we reopen the economy b) how may will kill themselves if we don't open the economy
Really? Is that it? Has even FOX lost it? Is there nothing else to be considered beyond "death rates?" Yikes!!
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Norseman
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Post by Norseman on Apr 12, 2020 1:41:48 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong: We may have reached this point already but i would tend to have some days of lockdown too much instead of too less. I'm guessing these "days of lockdown" aren't hurting your family/friends/etc. in a serious way. That's great, but likely not the experience of many/most.
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Post by skolognevikings on Apr 12, 2020 3:45:14 GMT -6
Don't get me wrong: We may have reached this point already but i would tend to have some days of lockdown too much instead of too less. I'm guessing these "days of lockdown" aren't hurting your family/friends/etc. in a serious way. That's great, but likely not the experience of many/most. These days hurt me personally: If schools do not open until the end of April i will be unemployed and get absolutely zero money. Friends of mine have to reduce their work and get less money, so they are hurt too. But also i want e.g. my mom to be safe, as she is a high risk human.
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