Reopening America

[skolvike]

Apr 9, 2020 18:22:25 GMT -6 gophersturf10 said:

I’ve been blessed!!! Thank you Jesus!!! We’ve been very busy while a lot of folks are unemployed...

The company we sub contract to laid off +800 employees mostly MN and Iowa.

Hey, when did that change? When I worked (retired 6 years ago) we had to lay off all contract personnel before we could lay off direct employees. We weren't unionized,that was a state law. How did oyur contract people survive an employee layoff like that?

[mjollnir]

My company just informed the higher pay scale they have mandatory unpaid leave for 2 weeks. Other then that most of my office is remotely working from home. My wife works in a Nursing Home and it is sad for a different reason there. The residents are so loanly.

My mother ended up deathly sick right before this happened and she is now staying with my oldest brother and his wife during her recovery. It was scary yet a blessing because I surely did not want her home alone during this.

Strange new world out there. People are clammering to download an app that tracks their contacts, call for people to report their neighbors not following the rules, give government the right to shut business down and now the big one telling people they cannot use their property (Minnesota Cabin owners).

[gophersturf10]

Apr 10, 2020 1:53:52 GMT -6 skolvike said:

Apr 9, 2020 18:22:25 GMT -6 gophersturf10 said:

I’ve been blessed!!! Thank you Jesus!!! We’ve been very busy while a lot of folks are unemployed...

The company we sub contract to laid off +800 employees mostly MN and Iowa.

Hey, when did that change? When I worked (retired 6 years ago) we had to lay off all contract personnel before we could lay off direct employees. We weren't unionized,that was a state law. How did oyur contract people survive an employee layoff like that?

I’m a independent contractor. Construction was deemed “essential” at this time. The lay-offs happened to the employees of the company we’re working for at this time.

[kjun09]

My wife and I have both been fortunate to work full time from home but I can’t imagine another 60 days. Maybe I don’t fully understand, but it’s not like this all magically goes away after 60 days. Unless a cure or vaccine is developed and produced it’s still going to be out there. In a place like I live that relies so heavily on tourism, there is little doubt it’s reintroduced as soon as the tourists come back. The reality is we would probably have to be locked down for a year or more until the vaccine is developed unless it can be fast tracked in some way.

Obviously we want to limit infections and even worse more deaths, but at the same time something like 98% recover. A measured reopening of the world to get us back, maybe building some herd immunity they talk about (at the risk of more infections) seems to be the best way to go.

[fairweatherfan]

I'm a software engineer, been working from home for 4 weeks now. I'd like to get back to normal. Emailing about football just isn't the same as talking in the office.

[Norseman]

Apr 9, 2020 22:55:49 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/the_cdc_confesses_to_lying_about_covid19_death_numbers.html

food for thought

Very interesting.  These are the kinds of facts that we really need to hear.  8000 people that have died in New York have been identified as COVID19 deaths.  I wonder what the total death count is over that time period this year versus prior years.  That would be really interesting to know.

[heisenburg]

I the county where I live there have been 5 deaths with a median age of 93.5. I have a hard time saying people that age dying is attributed to cv-19.

[Norseman]

Here's the latest national stats I could find (2017):

www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

I find it interesting that there were over 215,000 deaths attributed to Chronic Respiratory diseases, Flu and Pnemonia. Current US deaths "attributed" to COVID19 are around 19,000. I think it's reasonable to believe, based upon the link posted earlier, that many of these 19,000 deaths may actually be in conjunction with those other conditions. In a normal year, we would expect about 18,000 deaths from those causes in a 30 day period (based on a strict proration, although we would expect more during "cold and flu" season). I get it that nobody knew how bad it would get, and how quickly, but it really doesn't sound like much out of the "ordinary" to me at this point.

[OkieDokie]

Apr 10, 2020 15:48:46 GMT -6 Norseman said:

Here's the latest national stats I could find (2017):

www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 647,457
Cancer: 599,108
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
Diabetes: 83,564
Influenza and Pneumonia: 55,672
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis: 50,633
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

I find it interesting that there were over 215,000 deaths attributed to Chronic Respiratory diseases, Flu and Pnemonia. Current US deaths "attributed" to COVID19 are around 19,000. I think it's reasonable to believe, based upon the link posted earlier, that many of these 19,000 deaths may actually be in conjunction with those other conditions. In a normal year, we would expect about 18,000 deaths from those causes in a 30 day period (based on a strict proration, although we would expect more during "cold and flu" season). I get it that nobody knew how bad it would get, and how quickly, but it really doesn't sound like much out of the "ordinary" to me at this point.

Thanks! Shows how low the China Virus is in relation. Time to open America!

[vikingdan]

I started my one man company in 1998, this month sales will sink to a level I haven't seen since the month I opened the business. I am willing to wait until the end of April but it's time to get America back to work. End of April and it's time...period... or there may not be anything left to re-open.

We still need to be careful and practice the "social distancing" (I hate that term) and we need to wash our hands, disinfect regularly etc. We also need to keep the vulnerable isolated for a while longer.

[Purplemachine]

Apr 10, 2020 13:26:06 GMT -6 Norseman said:

Apr 9, 2020 22:55:49 GMT -6 nodakviking said:

www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/04/the_cdc_confesses_to_lying_about_covid19_death_numbers.html

food for thought

Very interesting.  These are the kinds of facts that we really need to hear.  8000 people that have died in New York have been identified as COVID19 deaths.  I wonder what the total death count is over that time period this year versus prior years.  That would be really interesting to know.

Here is another article to read...


www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-mn-senator-dr-reveals-hhs-document-coaching-overcount-covid-19-cases-copy-document-video/

[OkieDokie]

[OkieDokie]

[nypurplepeopleeater]

May 1st. Some states should open up earlier. This is insane. We threw the country into a depression to suppress a virus that kills less than 1% of healthy people that get it. JPM is projecting a 40% drop in 2nd quarter GDP and 20% unemployment. This is the first time in history that governments have intentionally triggered a Great Depression. This has long term consequences that are much worse than the virus.

I don’t say this lightly. My boss passed away from the virus two weeks ago. A friend died last week. I work in NYC and live on Long Island. I know many people who have the virus. But both the people I knew who died had other health issues. We never should have shut down the whole country.

And I don’t say this out of selfish economic interest. I’m 57, can work from home and I’m still getting a nice salary. My bonus at year end may be lighter but that’s fine. I work because I want to not because I have to. But for millions of others this is devastating.

By all means keep the elderly and people with repository issues at home. Also folks with heart issues or diabetes. But if you’re under 60 and healthy, let them work.

[vikingdan]

Apr 11, 2020 5:38:05 GMT -6 nypurplepeopleeater said:

May 1st. Some states should open up earlier. This is insane. We threw the country into a depression to suppress a virus that kills less than 1% of healthy people that get it. JPM is projecting a 40% drop in 2nd quarter GDP and 20% unemployment. This is the first time in history that governments have intentionally triggered a Great Depression. This has long term consequences that are much worse than the virus.

I don’t say this lightly. My boss passed away from the virus two weeks ago. A friend died last week. I work in NYC and live on Long Island. I know many people who have the virus. But both the people I knew who died had other health issues. We never should have shut down the whole country.

And I don’t say this out of selfish economic interest. I’m 57, can work from home and I’m still getting a nice salary. My bonus at year end may be lighter but that’s fine. I work because I want to not because I have to. But for millions of others this is devastating.

By all means keep the elderly and people with repository issues at home. Also folks with heart issues or diabetes. But if you’re under 60 and healthy, let them work.

How are people holding up there? You guys are really getting hit hard. A lot of people are praying it ends soon for all of us but especially the people in your area.