The Vaccine

[JimmyinSD]

quandry for ya'll.

Given the following statements are true:

the vaccine is 95% effective.

elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death.

would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick?

[angryguy77]

Jan 25, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

quandry for ya'll.

Given the following statements are true:

the vaccine is 95% effective.

elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death.

would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick?

I wouldn't support that. Not an anti vax person myself, but I don't believe we should be forcing people to take a shot or med. If the danger is so bad, it shouldn't be a hard sell to the employees.

[OkieDokie]

Jan 25, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

quandry for ya'll.

Given the following statements are true:

the vaccine is 95% effective.

elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death.

would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick?

So, the vaccine is less effective than no vaccine since Covid is 99.8% survivable.

[OkieDokie]

Jan 25, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

quandry for ya'll.

Given the following statements are true:

the vaccine is 95% effective.

elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death.

would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick?

No

Once you make one thing mandatory many follow. Why not mandatory flu shots? Mandatory x y z shots? It never stops with the left do not give even an inch.

[JimmyinSD]

Jan 25, 2021 13:15:55 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

Jan 25, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

quandry for ya'll.

Given the following statements are true:

the vaccine is 95% effective.

elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death.

would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick?

So, the vaccine is less effective than no vaccine since Covid is 99.8% survivable.

not for those who have to live in those nursing homes.  they are seeing 30+% death rates in some instance when covid gets inside those doors.

[JimmyinSD]

Jan 25, 2021 13:18:03 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

Jan 25, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

quandry for ya'll.

Given the following statements are true:

the vaccine is 95% effective.

elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death.

would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick?

No

Once you make one thing mandatory many follow. Why not mandatory flu shots? Mandatory x y z shots? It never stops with the left do not give even an inch.

flu shots are already mandatory at some nursing homes I believe due to the high susceptibility of their inmates.

[JimmyinSD]

Jan 25, 2021 13:02:25 GMT -6 angryguy77 said:

Jan 25, 2021 12:46:45 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

quandry for ya'll.

Given the following statements are true:

the vaccine is 95% effective.

elderly and infirm are showing to be at a much higher risk of complications from the Pfizer vaccine, including death.

would you support mandatory vaccinations for health care professionals that work in nursing homes and other facilities that deal primarily with the elderly and very sick?

I wouldn't support that. Not an anti vax person myself, but I don't believe we should be forcing people to take a shot or med. If the danger is so bad, it shouldn't be a hard sell to the employees.

If I ran a nursing home,  I would try and force my employees to get the shot.  I have to think that pretty soon these nursing homes being a death sentence on those that live in them will hurt their bottom lines even more than they already are.

it would be pretty simple,  get the shot or get laid off until we see covid rates drop to where its not a big deal.  some places the employees are jumping on board,  others not so much.

IMO this isnt so much about the govt mandating something for everybody, its about a business being able to dictate how they want to run their business.

also, I have a sick elderly father who was so close to dying from covid we had put him into hospice when the doctors gave up,  he made a turn for the better and is now in a home,  but he is looking at months of rehab if he has any chance of every returning home,  i sure as hell would rather have him not exposed again in a few months when his natural antibodies start to fail. given the choice I would absolutely send him to the place that mandated the shot.

[BadgerVol]

You could argue that the choice comes with when you choose to work there. If you don’t want to be forced to to take it get another job?

Just thinking out loud...

[JimmyinSD]

Jan 25, 2021 14:00:22 GMT -6 BadgerVol said:

You could argue that the choice comes with when you choose to work there. If you don’t want to be forced to to take it get another job?

Just thinking out loud...

thats my sentiment:  if you want this job,  these are the rules, if not you are free to apply your skills elsewhere.  I could see this as a marketing opportunity for smaller nursing homes going against the big facilities,  or vice versa where the bigs could use it to crush the private facilities that wouldnt try a mandate.

[angryguy77]

Jan 25, 2021 13:45:00 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

Jan 25, 2021 13:02:25 GMT -6 angryguy77 said:

I wouldn't support that. Not an anti vax person myself, but I don't believe we should be forcing people to take a shot or med. If the danger is so bad, it shouldn't be a hard sell to the employees.

If I ran a nursing home,  I would try and force my employees to get the shot.  I have to think that pretty soon these nursing homes being a death sentence on those that live in them will hurt their bottom lines even more than they already are.

it would be pretty simple,  get the shot or get laid off until we see covid rates drop to where its not a big deal.  some places the employees are jumping on board,  others not so much.

IMO this isnt so much about the govt mandating something for everybody, its about a business being able to dictate how they want to run their business.

also, I have a sick elderly father who was so close to dying from covid we had put him into hospice when the doctors gave up,  he made a turn for the better and is now in a home,  but he is looking at months of rehab if he has any chance of every returning home,  i sure as hell would rather have him not exposed again in a few months when his natural antibodies start to fail. given the choice I would absolutely send him to the place that mandated the shot.

 

Think about this, do you really want businesses to start mandating you to live according to their health mandates? It won't stop at these homes, it will expand to other industries.  

You start forcing these people to get shots, and you may end up with a shortage of people willing to take the job. Group homes and care facilities already struggle to not only have people, but good people. 
This will limit the pool of workers even further. Just something to consider. My wife works for a group home and you wouldn't believe the stories.......

Why stop at nursing homes? If a person has a weak immunity or is a senior who still works, wouldn't they have a right as well to demand their coworkers get a vaccine? 

I get your fears, but those people who work in that home also have a right to what goes into their bodies.

[OkieDokie]

Jan 25, 2021 14:00:22 GMT -6 BadgerVol said:

You could argue that the choice comes with when you choose to work there. If you don’t want to be forced to to take it get another job?

Just thinking out loud...

And choice of residents to move out too. Free enterprise works better than mandating communism

[JimmyinSD]

Jan 25, 2021 15:15:32 GMT -6 OkieDokie said:

Jan 25, 2021 14:00:22 GMT -6 BadgerVol said:

You could argue that the choice comes with when you choose to work there. If you don’t want to be forced to to take it get another job?

Just thinking out loud...

And choice of residents to move out too. Free enterprise works better than mandating communism

they are moving out of homes...   and i am not calling for a govt mandate, i am saying that private businesses should have the right to mandate that their employees get vaccinated,  not telling them which one they have to get,  but they should have the right to say they need to get one.

[JimmyinSD]

Jan 25, 2021 14:42:37 GMT -6 angryguy77 said:

Jan 25, 2021 13:45:00 GMT -6 JimmyinSD said:

If I ran a nursing home,  I would try and force my employees to get the shot.  I have to think that pretty soon these nursing homes being a death sentence on those that live in them will hurt their bottom lines even more than they already are.

it would be pretty simple,  get the shot or get laid off until we see covid rates drop to where its not a big deal.  some places the employees are jumping on board,  others not so much.

IMO this isnt so much about the govt mandating something for everybody, its about a business being able to dictate how they want to run their business.

also, I have a sick elderly father who was so close to dying from covid we had put him into hospice when the doctors gave up,  he made a turn for the better and is now in a home,  but he is looking at months of rehab if he has any chance of every returning home,  i sure as hell would rather have him not exposed again in a few months when his natural antibodies start to fail. given the choice I would absolutely send him to the place that mandated the shot.

 

Think about this, do you really want businesses to start mandating you to live according to their health mandates? It won't stop at these homes, it will expand to other industries.  

You start forcing these people to get shots, and you may end up with a shortage of people willing to take the job. Group homes and care facilities already struggle to not only have people, but good people. 
This will limit the pool of workers even further. Just something to consider. My wife works for a group home and you wouldn't believe the stories.......

Why stop at nursing homes? If a person has a weak immunity or is a senior who still works, wouldn't they have a right as well to demand their coworkers get a vaccine? 

I get your fears, but those people who work in that home also have a right to what goes into their bodies.

in a way they already do,  get this scan or that checked out or your health insurance goes rocket high.  those that are at risk could be excused,  but odds are they are already taking precautions due to their own health.  I am talking about those that are young and dont really consider the actions of their personal lives and how they can affect those where they work... or the bottom line of who they work for.

[holmanjp]

What the Deaths of Larry King & Hank Aaron Tells Us About the Pandemic

Media draws the connection between King's death and COVID
but makes no connection between Aaron's death and the vaccine

17 yo hospitalized in ICU with chest pains after 2nd dose.

GOP Congressman wants to bribe vaccinations by withholding “stimulus” of $1400 unless you get vaccinated.

CEOs say “no jab, no job” and pressure others to do the same as airlines, sports venues, travel agents join to impose house arrest.

Why are they so desperate to force vaccines?

[kramerhammer]

Jan 25, 2021 9:42:51 GMT -6 angryguy77 said:

Jan 23, 2021 5:36:58 GMT -6 kramerhammer said:

I am not perfect.

Religious people invoke a particularly strong feeling in me, hence my lack of ambivalence in that situation.

Go figure, a leftist who wants to have a different set of rules for those of a faith.

You didn't need to say this, we already knew it. How you apply your "values" is the same as every other liberal. You support policies that punish your enemies, not those that actually help your neighbor. 

It's not a lack of ambivalence, it's a lack of character. You don't need to be perfect, you just have to stop putting your party over your country. 

You wonder why you get muted by many and hammered on here? It's because you claim to be something you are not. 

You feel better now?